High YUL<>YYZ Fares
May 6, 2024, 9:03 am
#1
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: YUL
Programs: ✈ AC 1MM / S100K - SPG Lifetime Platinum = BONVoY Lifetime Titanium
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High YUL<>YYZ Fares
Hi all, I haven't done one of these returns in ages , turns out I need to be in YYZ in 10 days.
Searched for flights and nothing under a grand return.
Was a bit surprised , seems nuts.
Just wondering if that's kind of what it is now for this hour flight.
Searched for flights and nothing under a grand return.
Was a bit surprised , seems nuts.
Just wondering if that's kind of what it is now for this hour flight.
May 6, 2024, 9:10 am
#2
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: YYZ
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Looks like the current fares all require 14 or 21 day advance to not get totally fleeced.
May 6, 2024, 9:31 am
#3
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: YLW
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VIA is nice this time of year and they feed you......just an FYI
for that 1K it's still only 500SQM round trip. Just had a 20% off sale that ended May 5th. Wait a day there will be another as AC needs more revenue.
for that 1K it's still only 500SQM round trip. Just had a 20% off sale that ended May 5th. Wait a day there will be another as AC needs more revenue.
May 6, 2024, 9:38 am
#4
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: YOW
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nothing under a grand return
- I'm seeing Signature on the 16th as low as 19,000 points, if you've got them to burn.
- Transat's available on the night of 15 for $168.
But yeah, AC/WS/PD pretty much knows anyone booking this route, this close to departure, is probably a reasonably captive market.
May 6, 2024, 10:16 am
#7
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: YYZ
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Whats very interesting is AC would attribute the YYZ-YUL/YUL-YYZ leg for YYZ-YUL-??? for just a few dollars. Clearly they seem to have a problem filling the international and TCON/Sun destination seats from YUL.
On my afternoon/weekend YUL-YYZ legs... its hardly ever full, with like 65-70% load factor for all three times I have taken it.. (only exception is the business heavy 8/9/10 AM flights between MON-FRI)
Yet every carrier seems to have ramped up their flight prices on YYZ-YUL.... not sure why
On my afternoon/weekend YUL-YYZ legs... its hardly ever full, with like 65-70% load factor for all three times I have taken it.. (only exception is the business heavy 8/9/10 AM flights between MON-FRI)
Yet every carrier seems to have ramped up their flight prices on YYZ-YUL.... not sure why
May 6, 2024, 12:20 pm
#8
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: YYJ
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It's the same out west. YVR-YEG/YYC is rarely under a grand return with short notice. The difference is unlike YYZ-YUL, it's not remotely practical to drive or take the train from YVR-YEG/YYC. AC is definitely using their position to push extreme fares on these routes with little to no competition (especially after the deal with WS where they decided not to compete with eachother in western/eastern Canada). YVR-YYJ is also brutal, often $500+ for a 12 minute flight.
May 6, 2024, 12:40 pm
#9
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: YSC (and all its regularly scheduled flights)
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It's the same out west. YVR-YEG/YYC is rarely under a grand return with short notice. The difference is unlike YYZ-YUL, it's not remotely practical to drive or take the train from YVR-YEG/YYC. AC is definitely using their position to push extreme fares on these routes with little to no competition (especially after the deal with WS where they decided not to compete with eachother in western/eastern Canada). YVR-YYJ is also brutal, often $500+ for a 12 minute flight.
That said, YUL and YYZ aren't YYJ and YKA (that's a lot of Y's.). There is competition from the train or even a car, so I'm surprised at the price in this case.
May 6, 2024, 12:50 pm
#10
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: YYZ
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Agree that YYJ flights are stupid expensive. Oddly, so are YKA flights. Both always full and always expensive, and yet they keep decreasing service!
That said, YUL and YYZ aren't YYJ and YKA (that's a lot of Y's.). There is competition from the train or even a car, so I'm surprised at the price in this case.
That said, YUL and YYZ aren't YYJ and YKA (that's a lot of Y's.). There is competition from the train or even a car, so I'm surprised at the price in this case.
May 6, 2024, 12:53 pm
#11
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: YSC (and all its regularly scheduled flights)
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I live an hour south of Montreal and can still drive to Toronto in 6-7 hours. Add airport hassles at both ends and commuting to downtown and it is similar - and cheaper.
May 6, 2024, 4:03 pm
#13
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: YYZ
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Looks like everyone is protecting their cash cow. You don't need to collude if you can all "independently" converge on a framework for maximum cash extraction.
May 6, 2024, 8:30 pm
#15
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: YLW
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Plattsburg New York is where I flew out of when using points and living in East Ottawa (French Orleans)