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AAdvantage Changes for 2016 - DISCUSSION, REACTION & POLL

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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by jamespvg
If they're interested in incentivizing us to buy-up to higher cabins, what's the sense in capping EQMs on revenue shared, métal-neutral services? Rubbish.
They are incentivizing you to book the AA codeshare on these flights, which to my knowledge exists on every BA TATL metal flight.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:21 pm
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110k for F to Asia 2 though...yuck.
Maybe you can send warm thank yous to Ben Schlapping ?
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:22 pm
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Originally Posted by jamespvg
...a cap of 1.5 BA EQM even on JBA routes are supremely disappointing to me. The BA decision especially. If they're interested in incentivizing us to buy-up to higher cabins, what's the sense in capping EQMs on revenue shared, métal-neutral services? Rubbish.
I agree-- I'm shocked by how unfair and crappy that is.

Originally Posted by ashill
That's very little change, though. The only changes are Y,B go from 1.5 EQP (1.0 EQM) to 1.0 and H goes from 1.0 to 0.5. CX earning is , but it always has been.
Agree
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
I agree-- I'm shocked by how unfair and crappy that is.
Originally Posted by TheBOSman
They are incentivizing you to book the AA codeshare on these flights, which to my knowledge exists on every BA TATL metal flight.
These make sense if someone is flying LHR-SIN and is a EU based member, AA doesn't really want to give that person 2/3x EQMs (and BA probably wants them crediting to BAEC anyway). Book the AA codeshare for TATL flights. I know it isn't necessarily "that" simple to do, but that seems to be what AA wants done.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by ashill
That's very little change, though. The only changes are Y,B go from 1.5 EQP (1.0 EQM) to 1.0 and H goes from 1.0 to 0.5. CX earning is , but it always has been.
Looking at the rest of the partners though, it's just horrid.

This is just about as bad as DL treats some of it's SkyTeam partners.

Bottom line: if you can't fly an AA codeshare, you're screwed - especially if you have to fly in below Y/B.

To me, this essentially kills OW as an alliance.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:25 pm
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Well, the earning criteria for SWU's 5-8 are very disappointing.

And yes, EXP is still the best in its class, both for earning and for benefits. Well played, Discount Doug.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by TheBOSman
They are incentivizing you to book the AA codeshare on these flights, which to my knowledge exists on every BA TATL metal flight.
Why? It shouldn't make an difference to them.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by jamespvg
Why? It shouldn't make an difference to them.
But it does if you book a standalone itinerary that doesn't involve the USA, such as LHR-SIN. AA likely doesn't want to give extra EQMs for that.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by ashill
Partner airline award charts have the new EQM earnings.

BA ranges from 0.5 EQM/mile flown (H fares and below) to (only) 1.5 EQM/mile flown (all premium cabin fares, from discount premium economy to full F).

ETA: All discount economy fares on AS earn 0.5 EQM/mile flown. This includes many fare classes that currently earn 1.0 EQPs. For me, that's a big ouch.

Based on the information JonNYC provided about the AA earnings, which was (of course) spot on, I had no objection to the short notice, since it was an improvement in the elite qualifying process for all flyers. But the revisions to the partner EQM earning chart with about six weeks notice is not good pool.

Interesting, the RDM earning stays constant but EQM is slashed. Wonder if that happens on the other side as well...
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by jamespvg
Why? It shouldn't make an difference to them.
There are a lot of BA flights which are not part of the JBV
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag
Difference is that at least UA had overpriced awards but good availability (and none of them with BA and their EQ). Now, AA is as bad on the former count and much worse on the other.
I'll take AAdv's CX and even JL award F availability over UA's SQ award availability any day. But, yeah, I hear ya. Will have to see if AAdv availability now changes at all as a result of the hikes though.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by sombrachinesca
Why should I fly OW to Asia if I'm only going to get 1.5 EQM? I'll just fly Etihad or Emirates for a cheaper price and get better service & forget about the miles... and AA, BA, IB better believe that I will remember that forced choice when the time comes to book TATL.
Become a free agent too! Much more fun, and better bang for the buck.

Originally Posted by PWMTrav
It just occurred to me, but I suppose I no longer care much if Citi adds AA as a mileage transfer partner for TYP.
Yes. AA just devalued the Citi cards. Citi must be thrilled.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag
Difference is that at least UA had overpriced awards but good availability (and none of them with BA and their EQ). Now, AA is as bad on the former count and much worse on the other.
Expect award availability to get much better if you can afford to spend it, partner redemptions to Europe are far more available post-deval with UA than they were pre-deval. The BA YQ remains an irritant though and partly undoes the lower AA cost .

Originally Posted by JonNYC
I'll take AAdv's CX and even JL award F availability over UA's SQ award availability any day. But, yeah, I hear ya. Will have to see if AAdv availability now changes at all as a result of the hikes though.
I can assure you partner availability will get better after the devaluation, as noted partner awards with UA are much more available now than they were before.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:59 pm
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I can't criticize this new EQM structure at all. For my usual UK-USA legs which I normally book in AA Y, I will try to book into BA W to get 1.5 EQMs for what is normally an extra GBP 70 extra on top of the AA Y fare.

Works for me.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:59 pm
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Expect award availability to get much better if you can afford to spend it, partner redemptions to Europe are far more available post-deval with UA than they were pre-deval. The BA YQ remains an irritant though and partly undoes the lower AA cost .
There is a trick for BOS based pax to fly to Europe for <= 50,000 one way in J
AND I WILL NOT REVEAL IT BECAUSE WHEN I DO SO THE TRICK WILL VANISH DUE TO EVIL BLOGGERS!!
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