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New York John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK / KJFK)
For current flight tracks at JFK, see: http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KJFK
For the JFK Airport Diagram, see: http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KJFK/APD/AIRPORT+DIAGRAM
For Approach and Departure procedures at JFK, see: http://flightaware.com/resources/air...JFK/procedures
For a Google Map of the JFK area, see: Google Map
For an interactive map of NYC Airspace routes, including arrivals and departures from JFK, see: http://tfmlearning.fly.faa.gov/NY_Ai...Y_Airspace.swf
Airport Layout
JFK has two pairs of parallel runways that run NE/SW (4/22 R/L) and NW/SE (13/31 R/L). While Runways 13/31 R/L intersect with Runway 4L/22R, displaced thresholds are used for landings to reduce overlap. Runways 4/22 R/L are approximately parallel to Manhattan while Runways 13/31 R/L are approximately perpendicular to it.
Airport Configurations
Approach and departure patterns are dependent upon the winds and weather, as well as traffic at neighboring LGA and EWR airports. In general, Runway 4R/22L and Runway 13L/31R are used for arrivals while Runway 4L/22R and Runway 13R/31L are used for departures, but arriving or departing aircraft may operate on the alternate runways as dictated by traffic needs.
The following combinations are commonly used:
Arrivals 4R, Departures 4L, Departures (West) 31L
Arrivals 22L, Departures 22R, Departures (West) 31L
Arrivals 22L, Departures 22R, Arrivals (South) 13R
Arrivals 13L, Departures 13R, Arrivals (East) 22L
Arrivals 31R, Departures 31L
The following provides a summary of the views for each approach and departure path:
Approaches
Final Arrival Fixes
Arrivals from the West and NW: LENDY, IGN, LVZ
Arrivals from the East and NE: ROBER, PARCH, PWL
Arrivals from the South: CAMRN, SIE
Runway 4R(L) - (possible high altitude views from right side for arrivals from the West and NW) The approach path runs SW across Jones Beach, turning right over the ocean to the NW, then turning right to the NE to join the final. Arrivals from the West and NW over Manhattan north of Central Park at high altitude (≈15,000 ft), continuing SE across Brooklyn and Queens before turning right to join the approach. Arrivals from the East and NE will descend while flying West across Long Island, then join the final. Arrivals from the South will fly NE offshore, before turning left ot the NW to join the approach.
Runway 13L(R) - (fair views from left side) The approach path runs NE across Breezy Point at 2000 ft, then turns right around Floyd Bennett Field (NY22) and Jamaica Bay to the final to the SE. Arrivals from the South will fly NE offshore, before turning left ot the NW to join the approach. Arrivals from the West and NW will pass SE over Manhattan at high altitude (16,000 ft), turn right to the SW over Long Beach at 9000-5000 ft, then turn right to the NW to join the approach. Arrivals from the East and NE will generally land on Runway 22L instead.
Runway 22L(R) - (possible high altitude views from left side for arrivals from the West and NW) The approach path runs NE across Jones Beach at 5000 ft, turning left over Republic Airport (FRG) to the NW, then turning left to the SW along the Long Island Expressway to join the final. Arrivals from the West and NW pass South of Manhattan at high altitude (14,000 ft), continuing SE over the water before turning left to join the approach. Arrivals from the South will descend offshore and join the approach directly. Arrivals from the East and NE will descend while flying West across Long Island, then join the final.
Runway 31R(L) - (possible high altitude views from the left side for arrivals from the West and NW) The approach path runs NE across Long Beach, then turns left to the NW to join the final. Arrivals from the West and NW will pass SE over Manhattan at high altitude (14,000 ft), before turning left to join the final. Arrivals from the South will fly NE, descending offshore and join the final. Arrivals from the East and NE will descend while flying West across Long Island, then join the final.
Departures
Initial Departure Fixes
Departures to the West: RBV, DIXIE
Departures to the NW: SAX, COATE, NEION, GAYEL, JFK
Departures to the NE: GREKI, MERIT
Departures to the East: BETTE, HAPIE
Departures to the South: SHIPP, WAVEY
Runway 4L(R) - (occasional high altitude views from the right side for Westbound departures) All departures turn right to the East for climbout over southern Long Island before turning toward the appropriate departure fix. Westbound departures will continue the righthand turn to the SW, climbing over the ocean and Sandy Hook on the way to Robbinsville, NJ. However, Westbound departures will generally take off from 31L instead if that runway is in use.
Runway 13R(L) - (distant views from right side for Westbound departures) Westbound departures will turn right to the SW, climbing over the ocean and Sandy Hook on the way to Robbinsville, NJ. Southbound and Eastbound departures will climb SE over the ocean. NE- and NW-bound departures will turn left, climbing NE over Long Island.
Runway 22R(L) - (distant views from right side for Westbound departures) Westbound departures will fly runway heading or the Gateway Climb over Jamaica Bay with Broad Channel on the right, then turn right to the SW, climbing over the ocean and Sandy Hook on the way to Robbinsville, NJ. Southbound and Eastbound departures will turn left and climb to the SE over the ocean. NE- and NW-bound departures will turn left around Long Beach, climbing NE over Long Island.
Runway 31L(R) - (fair views from the right side) Westbound departures will fly the Breezy Point Climb, turning left to the SW over Breezy Point, then climb over the ocean and Sandy Hook at ≈10,000 ft on the way to Robbinsville, NJ. All other departures will fly the Canarsie Climb, turning hard left to the South over Floyd Bennett Field (NY22) and Jamaica Bay before continuing toward the appropriate departure fix. The latter generally only happens if 31R is being used for arrivals; otherwise, all other departures will generally take off from 4L/22R.
For current flight tracks at JFK, see: http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KJFK
For the JFK Airport Diagram, see: http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KJFK/APD/AIRPORT+DIAGRAM
For Approach and Departure procedures at JFK, see: http://flightaware.com/resources/air...JFK/procedures
For a Google Map of the JFK area, see: Google Map
For an interactive map of NYC Airspace routes, including arrivals and departures from JFK, see: http://tfmlearning.fly.faa.gov/NY_Ai...Y_Airspace.swf
Airport Layout
JFK has two pairs of parallel runways that run NE/SW (4/22 R/L) and NW/SE (13/31 R/L). While Runways 13/31 R/L intersect with Runway 4L/22R, displaced thresholds are used for landings to reduce overlap. Runways 4/22 R/L are approximately parallel to Manhattan while Runways 13/31 R/L are approximately perpendicular to it.
Airport Configurations
Approach and departure patterns are dependent upon the winds and weather, as well as traffic at neighboring LGA and EWR airports. In general, Runway 4R/22L and Runway 13L/31R are used for arrivals while Runway 4L/22R and Runway 13R/31L are used for departures, but arriving or departing aircraft may operate on the alternate runways as dictated by traffic needs.
The following combinations are commonly used:
Arrivals 4R, Departures 4L, Departures (West) 31L
Arrivals 22L, Departures 22R, Departures (West) 31L
Arrivals 22L, Departures 22R, Arrivals (South) 13R
Arrivals 13L, Departures 13R, Arrivals (East) 22L
Arrivals 31R, Departures 31L
The following provides a summary of the views for each approach and departure path:
Approaches
Final Arrival Fixes
Arrivals from the West and NW: LENDY, IGN, LVZ
Arrivals from the East and NE: ROBER, PARCH, PWL
Arrivals from the South: CAMRN, SIE
Runway 4R(L) - (possible high altitude views from right side for arrivals from the West and NW) The approach path runs SW across Jones Beach, turning right over the ocean to the NW, then turning right to the NE to join the final. Arrivals from the West and NW over Manhattan north of Central Park at high altitude (≈15,000 ft), continuing SE across Brooklyn and Queens before turning right to join the approach. Arrivals from the East and NE will descend while flying West across Long Island, then join the final. Arrivals from the South will fly NE offshore, before turning left ot the NW to join the approach.
Runway 13L(R) - (fair views from left side) The approach path runs NE across Breezy Point at 2000 ft, then turns right around Floyd Bennett Field (NY22) and Jamaica Bay to the final to the SE. Arrivals from the South will fly NE offshore, before turning left ot the NW to join the approach. Arrivals from the West and NW will pass SE over Manhattan at high altitude (16,000 ft), turn right to the SW over Long Beach at 9000-5000 ft, then turn right to the NW to join the approach. Arrivals from the East and NE will generally land on Runway 22L instead.
Runway 22L(R) - (possible high altitude views from left side for arrivals from the West and NW) The approach path runs NE across Jones Beach at 5000 ft, turning left over Republic Airport (FRG) to the NW, then turning left to the SW along the Long Island Expressway to join the final. Arrivals from the West and NW pass South of Manhattan at high altitude (14,000 ft), continuing SE over the water before turning left to join the approach. Arrivals from the South will descend offshore and join the approach directly. Arrivals from the East and NE will descend while flying West across Long Island, then join the final.
Runway 31R(L) - (possible high altitude views from the left side for arrivals from the West and NW) The approach path runs NE across Long Beach, then turns left to the NW to join the final. Arrivals from the West and NW will pass SE over Manhattan at high altitude (14,000 ft), before turning left to join the final. Arrivals from the South will fly NE, descending offshore and join the final. Arrivals from the East and NE will descend while flying West across Long Island, then join the final.
Departures
Initial Departure Fixes
Departures to the West: RBV, DIXIE
Departures to the NW: SAX, COATE, NEION, GAYEL, JFK
Departures to the NE: GREKI, MERIT
Departures to the East: BETTE, HAPIE
Departures to the South: SHIPP, WAVEY
Runway 4L(R) - (occasional high altitude views from the right side for Westbound departures) All departures turn right to the East for climbout over southern Long Island before turning toward the appropriate departure fix. Westbound departures will continue the righthand turn to the SW, climbing over the ocean and Sandy Hook on the way to Robbinsville, NJ. However, Westbound departures will generally take off from 31L instead if that runway is in use.
Runway 13R(L) - (distant views from right side for Westbound departures) Westbound departures will turn right to the SW, climbing over the ocean and Sandy Hook on the way to Robbinsville, NJ. Southbound and Eastbound departures will climb SE over the ocean. NE- and NW-bound departures will turn left, climbing NE over Long Island.
Runway 22R(L) - (distant views from right side for Westbound departures) Westbound departures will fly runway heading or the Gateway Climb over Jamaica Bay with Broad Channel on the right, then turn right to the SW, climbing over the ocean and Sandy Hook on the way to Robbinsville, NJ. Southbound and Eastbound departures will turn left and climb to the SE over the ocean. NE- and NW-bound departures will turn left around Long Beach, climbing NE over Long Island.
Runway 31L(R) - (fair views from the right side) Westbound departures will fly the Breezy Point Climb, turning left to the SW over Breezy Point, then climb over the ocean and Sandy Hook at ≈10,000 ft on the way to Robbinsville, NJ. All other departures will fly the Canarsie Climb, turning hard left to the South over Floyd Bennett Field (NY22) and Jamaica Bay before continuing toward the appropriate departure fix. The latter generally only happens if 31R is being used for arrivals; otherwise, all other departures will generally take off from 4L/22R.
Which Side of the Plane to Sit for Views of NYC when Landing / Taking Off at JFK
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Landing At JFK With A View
Under normal conditions, flying in from Europe and arriving at JFK, which side of the aircraft provides the best view of the Manhattan skyline upon descent?
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Unfortunately it varies a lot, because there are several different approach patterns. On average, though, I'd say the left side because one approach has you coming in from over the ocean and then heading north to runway 4L or 4R. See this link.
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Please follow this in our Travel->New York forum. Ocn Vw 1K, Moderator, TravelBuzz.
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If you want go to Empire State Building in Manhattan but, you need purchase the ticket. They will take you up the elevators to observation deck. There is very good view at observation deck is on 86th floors. It is very long way up on the top floor of Empire State Building. So enjoyed for your trip to NYC.
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the view of the skyline going into JFK is never really any good. You have a 50/50 chance of a good view if you were flying into lga or ewr but it isn't worth the bother of trying to figure out jfk. Most likely you will come in over the cross island pkwy or hewlett 5 towns area and the view isn't much
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Cross Island Parkway approach will show Manhattan in the far off distance. Sit on the right.
If approaching via the 5 towns, as mentioned above, there's a good possibility you'll fly over Manhattan at 10-14,000 feet. At that flight level, both sides are good, but as you desend, the left side may be better, depending on which runway is used.
My preferred seat since 1988 is an A seat.
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Having become an ATC junkie over the last couple weeks, the majority of JFK approaches have been on 22L, coming in directly from the northeast for TA traffic (Cross Island Parkway). The other approach I see often is on 13L, circling in from the south then northwest (Canarsie), so you'd have a chance on the left side of the aircraft.
As others have said, though, the views into and out of LGA are often spectacular by comparison.
As others have said, though, the views into and out of LGA are often spectacular by comparison.
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Had a great LGA approach last week. Sitting in 1A on the US BOS-LGA shuttle, came down the west side and literally circled around the Empire State Building as if it were a pivot point (and flew directly overhead of my apartment in Chelsea), before continuing back up over Brooklyn and Queens for the typical Tennis Center/Shea Stadium approach. As many know, this is a very common approach from the north, but it seemed to me that we were in tighter over Manhattan than I'm used to, making this scenic approach even more spectacular.
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Had a great LGA approach last week. Sitting in 1A on the US BOS-LGA shuttle, came down the west side and literally circled around the Empire State Building as if it were a pivot point (and flew directly overhead of my apartment in Chelsea), before continuing back up over Brooklyn and Queens for the typical Tennis Center/Shea Stadium approach. As many know, this is a very common approach from the north, but it seemed to me that we were in tighter over Manhattan than I'm used to, making this scenic approach even more spectacular.
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The problem with this question is that people don't realize that in an airport like JFK with four landing strips designated as eight runways (4L-22R, 4R-22L, 31R-13L and 31L-13R) there are infinite combinations in which ATC can direct a pilot to the airport.
Many of us just don't want to risk the follow-up message from someone who writes, "I sat on the left as you told me to but the view was on the right" so we write nothing.
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NYC view from plane
Coming in from Detroit (DTW) to JFK, which side of the plane do you suggest for the best views? I've checked out the previous threads about this, and have seen somewhat of a consensus for the Left side (coming from the West). Still, I was thinking it might come in from the North which would make Right the preferable side for Manhattan.
Thanks ahead of time for your help!
Thanks ahead of time for your help!