Numerous routes suspended due to 787 delays
Apr 27, 2024, 12:53 am
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Apr 27, 2024, 3:46 am
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Apr 27, 2024, 6:09 am
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It's not an ideal situation, but I can't see it making any sense to commit the investment to re-introduce a new type to the fleet to cover some routes to Europe in winter.
Apr 27, 2024, 7:50 am
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Interesting that theyre taking JFK-BCN off entirely as that has always been year-round, ending the double daily to Rome before Labor Day and cutting back EZE headed into Argentinas summer. That said, if you dont have the planes to deploy, then theres not much you can do.
Apr 27, 2024, 8:12 am
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To my knowledge, A&P's aren't type rated. A mechanic can be working on a Cessna 172 one day and go work on a 787 the next, in theory. That doesn't take into account whatever is in the airline ops requirements though.
All that being said, I think it's been well established that the 330 fleet was parked prematurely. But I don't think anyone gave it much criticism when the decision was made when everyone thought air travel would take quite some time to rebound. AA was in the worst financial shape of the US3, though I wonder what the actual cost would have been to keep operating them since they were (still are) owned without lease payments. 5 of the original year 2000 deliveries of the A333 show scrapped between Oct 2023 and April 2024 on airfleets. Based on that progression of roughly 1 per month, it makes me wonder if they're working their way through them alll and selling off the parts. Who was it that once said the sum of the parts is greater than the whole?
Had there been no COVID, they would have likely kept them longer than planned when the 787 delays started stacking up in 2021.
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Apr 28, 2024, 10:03 am
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How much of this is due to weak bookings and not just Boeing delays?
Remember this "exciting" press release at all of AA's new routes:
https://news.aa.com/news/news-detail...8/default.aspx
A lot of these cuts are related to cities that saw expanded service for the summer. Many of the reductions are also early seasonal stops - how are these related to Boeing delays unless the existing aircraft need to go (urgently) for heavy maintenance?
Many of the new flights from ORD and PHL at least seem to be lightly booked - you can get a Y seat for 27k mikes in July. I'm sure that's not out of AA's generosity to be selling their "summer seasonal" routes for less than the old MilesAAver rate.
Remember this "exciting" press release at all of AA's new routes:
https://news.aa.com/news/news-detail...8/default.aspx
A lot of these cuts are related to cities that saw expanded service for the summer. Many of the reductions are also early seasonal stops - how are these related to Boeing delays unless the existing aircraft need to go (urgently) for heavy maintenance?
Many of the new flights from ORD and PHL at least seem to be lightly booked - you can get a Y seat for 27k mikes in July. I'm sure that's not out of AA's generosity to be selling their "summer seasonal" routes for less than the old MilesAAver rate.
Apr 28, 2024, 10:07 am
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Highly likely that several are, hence my quip of retrenching to LHR.
This is par for the course for Vasu Raja and his ilk. throw dung at the wall, then wipe it off when no one pays for aforementioned dung. We're on cycle 5 of this? For the next course, we will try our best to find ways to get alternatives to PHL to work, and when they don't, pretend that we're happy with it being a TATL gateway (and pretend to open an FL)
This is par for the course for Vasu Raja and his ilk. throw dung at the wall, then wipe it off when no one pays for aforementioned dung. We're on cycle 5 of this? For the next course, we will try our best to find ways to get alternatives to PHL to work, and when they don't, pretend that we're happy with it being a TATL gateway (and pretend to open an FL)
Apr 28, 2024, 10:58 am
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Highly likely that several are, hence my quip of retrenching to LHR.
This is par for the course for Vasu Raja and his ilk. throw dung at the wall, then wipe it off when no one pays for aforementioned dung. We're on cycle 5 of this? For the next course, we will try our best to find ways to get alternatives to PHL to work, and when they don't, pretend that we're happy with it being a TATL gateway (and pretend to open an FL)
This is par for the course for Vasu Raja and his ilk. throw dung at the wall, then wipe it off when no one pays for aforementioned dung. We're on cycle 5 of this? For the next course, we will try our best to find ways to get alternatives to PHL to work, and when they don't, pretend that we're happy with it being a TATL gateway (and pretend to open an FL)
Did you see crankyflier's posts this week about UA's TPAC and TATL network? Lots of strong load factors to many places AA doesn't fly to...MNL, TPE, AMM, LOS. Yes load factor != yield but still. Naturally UA seems to "find" AMM before AA, even when RJ is in oneworld. But AA seems to only know how to fly to leisure Europe and LHR/TYO, not even oneworld hubs more broadly. I would laugh if UA starts flying and succeeds at something like ORD-CMN.