I thought US-CA-US conx were illegal? [merged]
Mar 15, 2008 | 3:06 am
#1
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I thought US-CA-US conx were illegal? [merged]
My travel agent issued me with the following itinery:
YYZ-ORD-YYC on UA5001-UA5903 on the same day, on the same ticket.
I doubt if this itinery is valid since it fly between two Canadian Port with a transit in US.
Please help me. thanks.
YYZ-ORD-YYC on UA5001-UA5903 on the same day, on the same ticket.
I doubt if this itinery is valid since it fly between two Canadian Port with a transit in US.
Please help me. thanks.
Mar 15, 2008 | 4:59 am
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As an air ticket, I don't see a problem. However, you will have to go through customs and immigration at YYZ to enter the U.S. and then again in YYC to re-enter Canada. Kind of a pain.
Mar 15, 2008 | 9:55 am
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I believe it would not be legal use a US carrier to fly from one US city to a Canadian one back to a US city, but I don't know if Canada would prohibit what you'r TA is proposing.
Mar 15, 2008 | 10:52 am
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UA Booked me on a reward ticket YYZ-DEN-YVR.
.bomb sells CANADA-CANADA with a US connection.
Wether or not it's legal?
.bomb sells CANADA-CANADA with a US connection.
Wether or not it's legal?
Mar 15, 2008 | 12:00 pm
#6
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If its UA; are you sure you aren't on AC codeshares. I've seen routings like this under 'air canada'. Which may or may not be UA metal.
Mar 17, 2008 | 11:28 am
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I can't quote chapter and verse, but I believe that Canada is an exception to the normal rules on whatever of the seven freedoms this is. UA has shown YYZ-ORD-YVR connections in its timetables (and YYZ-ORD-SEA-YVR, before they flew nonstop ORD-YVR) since I started flying them 42 years ago. AA used to have through flights ORD-YYZ-LGA, as well (also about 40 years back).
Mar 18, 2008 | 12:17 pm
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I thought US-CA-US conx were illegal?
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought you could not legally go from US city to US city via Canadian city. Yet, UA .bomb is selling ORD-YYZ-MCO and HNL-YVR-ORD. What gives?
Mar 18, 2008 | 12:20 pm
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I don't think that's true. Like I said I've done SFO-YVR-TPA and no one seemed to have an issue with it...
Mar 18, 2008 | 12:40 pm
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I have done and continue to be offered on my regular return flight IAH - YYZ - ORD, but these were on AC
Mar 18, 2008 | 1:06 pm
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Did you have to do Canadian immigration and customs? Or is there a transit area in YVR?
I assume you have to do US immigration and customs.
Mar 18, 2008 | 1:10 pm
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It doesn't really matter where you connect, UA cannot fly you from a Canadian city to another Canadian city (as your start and end points). AC can't do routes such as SEA-YVR-NYC either. Where you connect is irrelevant.
Mar 18, 2008 | 2:58 pm
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Well I actually had a forced overnight layover so did clear customs. Assuming it wasn't allowed couldn't going through customs solve the whole issue because you'd technically be entering Canada first?
Mar 18, 2008 | 3:14 pm
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Immigration doesn't generally care about airline requirements on this kind of thing; these types of violations would be taken up against the airline by various airline agencies in international forums (i.e. it is never a violation by you to buy an unlawful ticket, it is only a violation for an airline to sell it to you).
Mar 18, 2008 | 3:15 pm
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I'm not sure on the exact technical requirements for seventh freedom vs. transit differentiation, but United certainly can't sell you any kind of stopover in Canada.
Immigration doesn't generally care about airline requirements on this kind of thing; these types of violations would be taken up against the airline by various airline agencies in international forums (i.e. it is never a violation by you to buy an unlawful ticket, it is only a violation for an airline to sell it to you).
Immigration doesn't generally care about airline requirements on this kind of thing; these types of violations would be taken up against the airline by various airline agencies in international forums (i.e. it is never a violation by you to buy an unlawful ticket, it is only a violation for an airline to sell it to you).