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Old May 30, 2008, 1:04 am
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Air travel drops, costing industry $18 billion

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Americans take 41 million fewer flights, survey shows

Story Highlights
  • Survey: The estimated 41 million skipped trips cost the travel industry $18.1 billion
  • Survey results did not address whether travelers chose alternate transportation
  • People who flew more than five times in 12 months called air travel "frustrating."
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nearly half of American air travelers would fly more if it were easier, and more than one-fourth said they skipped at least one air trip in the past 12 months because of the hassles involved, according to an industry survey.

The Travel Industry Association, which commissioned the survey released Thursday, estimated that the 41 million forgone trips cost the travel industry $18.1 billion -- including $9.4 billion to airlines, $5.6 billion to hotels and $3.1 billion -- and it cost federal, state and local authorities $4.2 billion in taxes in the past 12 months.

When 28 percent of air travelers avoided an average of 1.3 trips each, that resulted in 29 million leisure trips and 12 million business trips not being taken, the researchers estimated.

The survey results did not address whether travelers chose alternate transportation to pursue any of the journeys they didn't take by plane. The association estimated overall travel industry revenue at $740 billion.

Roger Dow, president and CEO of the Washington, D.C.-based association, said the research "should be a wake-up call to America's policy leaders that the time for meaningful air system reform is now."

"The air travel crisis has hit a tipping point -- more than 100,000 travelers each day are voting with their wallets by choosing to avoid trips," Dow said in a statement.
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Old May 30, 2008, 1:26 am
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Awww... The travel industry is crying over lost revenue because people don't want to be hassled while travelling.

Too bloody bad!

Fix the bloody system, stop lying to the travellers about delays due to "weather", stop harassing, threatening, and assaulting the travellers with kabuki security and customs, and people will travel.
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Old May 30, 2008, 8:09 am
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Awww... The travel industry is crying over lost revenue because people don't want to be hassled while travelling.

Too bloody bad!

Fix the bloody system, stop lying to the travellers about delays due to "weather", stop harassing, threatening, and assaulting the travellers with kabuki security and customs, and people will travel.
Agreed. It sucks most for the hotel and car companies since they have no control over the flying aspect of the trip. The airlines could theoretically exert some pressure on congress, but it doesn't seem likely. But other than the weather/ATC delays, it would seem that the issues come from the government, not from the travel operators. Of course, they do not mention the number of trips that are not being taken because the average cost has gone from $441 (based on the numbers in the article) to something much higher as airfares and hotel rates have spiked recently.
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Old May 30, 2008, 11:45 pm
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Let's see now, charging for second piece of checked luggage, charging for FIRST piece of checked luggage. No more meals or snacks, excess weight charges, flight delays, dirty planes, do-it-yourself ticketing, TSA, sitting on the ground for hours.


I wonder why people don't want to experience the romance of flying anymore?
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Old May 31, 2008, 12:53 am
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Let's see now, charging for second piece of checked luggage, charging for FIRST piece of checked luggage. No more meals or snacks, excess weight charges, flight delays, dirty planes, do-it-yourself ticketing, TSA, sitting on the ground for hours.


I wonder why people don't want to experience the romance of flying anymore?
Because there is no romance in flying anymore?

I for one see it as necessary evil to be a passenger - just like being on a train, but with added hassle factors.
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Roger Dow, president and CEO of the Washington, D.C.-based association, said the research "should be a wake-up call to America's policy leaders that the time for meaningful air system reform is now."

Yes! DESTROY the TSA. It is the worst thing that ever happened to air travel.
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C'mon, let's calm down folks. This is a bogus "survey." No need to vent over imaginary results.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Roger Dow, president and CEO of the Washington, D.C.-based association, said the research "should be a wake-up call to America's policy leaders that the time for meaningful air system reform is now."

Yes! DESTROY the TSA. It is the worst thing that ever happened to air travel.
I would have never known you felt this way about TSA. What a revelation.

Seriously, there's no question the system is broken. Unfortunately, our elected leaders don't have a good plan to fix it. Neither do I, for that matter, but we need to get started somewhere.
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Old May 31, 2008, 6:48 pm
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C'mon, let's calm down folks. This is a bogus "survey." No need to vent over imaginary results.
Could you offer some evidence that it is bogus?
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Rising costs. Fewer amenities. Weaker - very much weaker - dollar when you get overseas. Floundering economy at home.

Hmmm... people are traveling less? Big surprise!

Fuel costs skyrocket. But the traveling public wants prices to stay the same, so instead of being straight forward, a culture addicted to dreaming gets the smoke and mirrors of new "add on fees" for everything. Big surprise!

We will have some more carriers go belly up. The remaining ones will charge more. Big surprise!

Then, after consolidation, it will be interesting to see whether the basis for competition changes or whether we will all be flying Greyhound Air forever.

Stay tuned. One thing sure, know one knows what's going to happen next.
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Here it is in black and white (again): "Nearly half of American air travelers would fly more if it were easier, and more than one-fourth said they skipped at least one air trip in the past 12 months because of the hassles involved, according to an industry survey."

Conclusion: get rid of the hassles - get rid of TSA.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Here it is in black and white (again): "Nearly half of American air travelers would fly more if it were easier, and more than one-fourth said they skipped at least one air trip in the past 12 months because of the hassles involved, according to an industry survey."

Conclusion: get rid of the hassles - get rid of TSA.
I agree that the overblown "security" is part of the hassle - a large part. But that has been ongoing for a (way too) long time. Few things would make be happier than rational security. But it will never be scaled back. It is absolutely counter CYA and no one will take responsibility - not ever.

The acceleration of irritants in the past few months may have constituted the straw that has broken the back of the desire to travel for non-essential reasons.
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Could you offer some evidence that it is bogus?
It's from the industry. What else would you expect?
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Old Jun 1, 2008, 9:09 am
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I agree that the overblown "security" is part of the hassle - a large part. But that has been ongoing for a (way too) long time. Few things would make be happier than rational security. But it will never be scaled back. It is absolutely counter CYA and no one will take responsibility - not ever.

The acceleration of irritants in the past few months may have constituted the straw that has broken the back of the desire to travel for non-essential reasons.
And the airlines maintain the status quo at their (now dire) peril.

Kick the TSA out or go under. It's your choice, airlines of the United States.
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Old Jun 1, 2008, 9:11 am
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It's from the industry. What else would you expect?
Do you really think that if this survey was skewed in the airline industry's favor that this is the best they could do? It would be like cheating to get a D+.
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