Kris Flyer changes 29 September 2008
Sep 16, 2008, 12:11 am
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Kris Flyer changes 29 September 2008
Summary of changes - link
One-way awards to be 50% of return mileage (was 70%) ^
Unrestricted awards to be renamed standard award
New award category Full award - more redemption seats and greater flexibility (and left unsaid, more mileage required)
Mix and match the 3 categories of awards and class of travel, eg one-way saver economy class and the other way full business class. ^
Changed online booking tool functionality.
One-way awards to be 50% of return mileage (was 70%) ^
Unrestricted awards to be renamed standard award
New award category Full award - more redemption seats and greater flexibility (and left unsaid, more mileage required)
Mix and match the 3 categories of awards and class of travel, eg one-way saver economy class and the other way full business class. ^
Changed online booking tool functionality.
Sep 16, 2008, 12:16 am
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Based on the one-way Full award mileage chart, it appears these are for any seat. The costs are very high. Eg SIN to SYD one way 213,000 miles in business class.
Full awards are not available for First Suites (A380)
Full and Standard awards are not available on Silkair
Award cost does not include taxes and fees. These are charged additionally.
Full awards are not available for First Suites (A380)
Full and Standard awards are not available on Silkair
Award cost does not include taxes and fees. These are charged additionally.
Sep 16, 2008, 12:33 am
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Can now redeem Award Flights on 77W / A345 / A380!!!
(I thought this deserves its own thread! Please merge if appropriate)
With SQ's new award starting Sept 29th, you will be able to redeem:
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption in First and Business Class on B777-300ER flights.
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption on All-Business Class A340-500 flights.
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption in Business Class on the Singapore Airlines A380 flights. There is no First Class on the Singapore Airlines A380. No redemption is available for the Singapore Airlines Suites.
Wonder if *A miles can redeem these seats or not???
With SQ's new award starting Sept 29th, you will be able to redeem:
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption in First and Business Class on B777-300ER flights.
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption on All-Business Class A340-500 flights.
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption in Business Class on the Singapore Airlines A380 flights. There is no First Class on the Singapore Airlines A380. No redemption is available for the Singapore Airlines Suites.
Wonder if *A miles can redeem these seats or not???
Sep 16, 2008, 12:42 am
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Its not really a reduction of miles required for OW travel - its now all award travel is one-way, you have to mix and match to get a return journey.
There are now no return award charts.
You also still get the 15% discount for booking online. So book what you can then ring up to get the remainder.
As long as they don't reduce the seats in the Saver category - I am okay with this.
It would be nice to know what each type of award book into.
How cheap is it to buy OW - get Award one way and pay for the return?
There are now no return award charts.
You also still get the 15% discount for booking online. So book what you can then ring up to get the remainder.
As long as they don't reduce the seats in the Saver category - I am okay with this.
It would be nice to know what each type of award book into.
How cheap is it to buy OW - get Award one way and pay for the return?
Sep 16, 2008, 12:56 am
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Here is inflation for you.
I once booked for 55,000 Krisflyer points (about 3-4 years ago), JFK-FRA-SIN-MEL business class to first class upgrade on a star alliance RTW ticket. Only hitch was couldn't go JFK-SIN on the one plane, had to stay in FRA for 10+ hours to catch the second flight. So had three different flight numbers.
This is now 70,000 if you can get the 747 all the way
140,000 if you include a 777-300ER (standard award)
500,000 points if you go Full Fare
So is Houston on the East Coast or West Coast?
Could you get for 140K IAH-DME-SIN-MEL? 773ER all the way - might think about that. Or should I go IAH-FRA-SIN on LH and use points to upgrade (115K LH points)
I once booked for 55,000 Krisflyer points (about 3-4 years ago), JFK-FRA-SIN-MEL business class to first class upgrade on a star alliance RTW ticket. Only hitch was couldn't go JFK-SIN on the one plane, had to stay in FRA for 10+ hours to catch the second flight. So had three different flight numbers.
This is now 70,000 if you can get the 747 all the way
140,000 if you include a 777-300ER (standard award)
500,000 points if you go Full Fare
So is Houston on the East Coast or West Coast?
Could you get for 140K IAH-DME-SIN-MEL? 773ER all the way - might think about that. Or should I go IAH-FRA-SIN on LH and use points to upgrade (115K LH points)
Sep 16, 2008, 2:12 am
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(I thought this deserves its own thread! Please merge if appropriate)
With SQ's new award starting Sept 29th, you will be able to redeem:
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption in First and Business Class on B777-300ER flights.
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption on All-Business Class A340-500 flights.
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption in Business Class on the Singapore Airlines A380 flights. There is no First Class on the Singapore Airlines A380. No redemption is available for the Singapore Airlines Suites.
Wonder if *A miles can redeem these seats or not???
With SQ's new award starting Sept 29th, you will be able to redeem:
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption in First and Business Class on B777-300ER flights.
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption on All-Business Class A340-500 flights.
• Only Standard and Full awards are available for redemption in Business Class on the Singapore Airlines A380 flights. There is no First Class on the Singapore Airlines A380. No redemption is available for the Singapore Airlines Suites.
Wonder if *A miles can redeem these seats or not???
Before anyone gets too excited and believes that Saver awards in C or F are now available on the 773ER or A380 (C only as no F but suites) or A345 (C only) let me point out that SQ is not removing that barrier. They are just introducing yet another award bucket on top of the old 'Unrestricted' type called 'Full' so in the future if you want to go like SIN-ZRH on the 773ER in new C you can get the foillowing:
Saver: 110K mlies - NOT OFFERED FOR THIS AIRCRAFT TYPE
Standard (Prev. Unrestricted): 220K miles
Full (NEW): TBD but my guess is at least 330K or more
See also here: http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...hancements.jsp
In short, same crap with an even more ridiculous award level. They are nuts. On a positive note there will be a one way award with 50% miles which is nice if I can find saver awards in C on any remaining 744 aircraft
Last edited by demue; Sep 16, 2008 at 2:34 am
Sep 16, 2008, 2:24 am
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They won't, under current policies. Standard (and a fortiori Full) awards book into classes unavailable to non-KrisFlyer FFPs.
Unrestricted = Standard, so those redemptions have always been available (at extortionate rates) to KrisFlyer members.
Unrestricted = Standard, so those redemptions have always been available (at extortionate rates) to KrisFlyer members.
Sep 16, 2008, 7:06 am
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ONE-WAY Business Class (Singapore to London)
Saver: 60K
Standard: 120K
Full: 315K
This is utterly outrageous!
Sep 16, 2008, 9:08 am
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That is true but we like not to measure against other 'insane' programs. Both are ridiculous. I mean have it there for the few people who want to throw miles away but to introduce this as a great enhancement is a freaking joke.
Sep 16, 2008, 9:52 am
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When I received the e-mail announcing these "enhancements" from SIA earlier today, I did have to read it a couple of times to make sure I hadn't missed something.
Other than the reduction of miles required for the one-way award (from 70% of round-trip to 50%), it seems like these changes are yet another "enhancement" which in reality are little more than marketing spin.
You have to hand it to SIA's corporate communications gurus -- they do sure know how to put lipstick on a pig!
Other than the reduction of miles required for the one-way award (from 70% of round-trip to 50%), it seems like these changes are yet another "enhancement" which in reality are little more than marketing spin.
You have to hand it to SIA's corporate communications gurus -- they do sure know how to put lipstick on a pig!
Last edited by crazycrab955; Sep 16, 2008 at 9:59 am
Sep 16, 2008, 3:33 pm
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I think the bean counters at airlines have forgotten that these programs were a reward for loyalty and they now see them as an expense to be "Enhanced".
The irony is these bean counters will no doubt be long gone when the chickens come home to roost.
SQ would also do well to look at their product. Having just arrived in LHR on SQ F today from AKL both seats 1A (777) then 2A (747) had broken lap top power supplies and a host of other service issues.
@:-)
The irony is these bean counters will no doubt be long gone when the chickens come home to roost.
SQ would also do well to look at their product. Having just arrived in LHR on SQ F today from AKL both seats 1A (777) then 2A (747) had broken lap top power supplies and a host of other service issues.
@:-)