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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 9:24 am
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Baggy pants lead to arrest at airport
College football player is arrested when he allegedly refuses to pull up pants

SAN FRANCISCO Police say a University of New Mexico football player's saggy pants led to his arrest at San Francisco International Airport.

Sgt. Michael Rodriguez says 20-year-old Deshon Marman was boarding a flight Wednesday to Albuquerque, N.M., when a U.S. Airways employee noticed his pants were "below his buttocks, but above the knees, and his boxer shorts were showing."

Rodriguez tells the San Francisco Chronicle that the employee asked Marman to pull up his pants, but he refused. She then asked him to leave the plane.

The officer says that after 15 minutes, Marman got off the plane and was cited for trespassing. . .
The entire story can be found here. . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43423595/ns/travel-news/
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by AZ Travels the World
From the article ...
US Airways spokeswoman Valerie Wunder says the airline's dress code forbids "indecent exposure or inappropriate" attire.
Oh Ms. Wunder, some of us FTers can direct you to a notorious cross dresser who frequently travels LGW-CLT-PHX in Envoy/FC ... wearing the skimpiest of bikini-type clothing . Apparently no complaints from US employees in that case, just lots of snapshots taken.

It's always wrong to argue with a FA, even if s/he may be mistaken. I noticed the 20-year-old guy was charged with trespassing (meaning he didn't leave when asked) , and not with indecent exposure.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 10:56 am
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Originally Posted by kudzu
I noticed the 20-year-old guy was charged with trespassing (meaning he didn't leave when asked) , and not with indecent exposure.
The video report says that in addition to trespassing, he was also charged with "battery and resisting arrest."

So it seems his pajamas () hanging down below his butt is what got their attention -- but it was his reaction that got him arrested.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 11:07 am
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Pants on the ground. Pants on the ground. Looking like a fool with your pants on the ground.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 11:09 am
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I don't see anything wrong with this .... besides the plane being delayed
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 11:42 am
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Pants on the ground. Pants on the ground. Looking like a fool with your pants on the ground.

You just made my day!!
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by AZ Travels the World
The entire story can be found here. . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43423595/ns/travel-news/
I'm an elite frequent flier who is usually dressed in a suit or business casual while travelling; this incident will keep me from flying US Air.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 1:00 pm
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Originally Posted by worldwidedreamer
I'm an elite frequent flier who is usually dressed in a suit or business casual while travelling; this incident will keep me from flying US Air.
So you dress decent, but will refuse to fly an airline because they refused service to someone with their underwear hanging out?
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by worldwidedreamer
I'm an elite frequent flier who is usually dressed in a suit or business casual while travelling; this incident will keep me from flying US Air.
I don't understand. US took appropriate action and you are now not flying the airline?
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 1:10 pm
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I don't understand. US took appropriate action and you are now not flying the airline?
No, he does not think US took appropriate action. Even though he would not dress this way he does not approve this airline's and its staff's attitude.

And nor do I. It is not illegal for this guy to wear what he was wearing. He was showing his boxer shorts, not his skin. The FA who kicked him out is ridiculous. I probably do not agree with what he was wearing either (have not seen a picture), but being a FA does not make you the fashion police!

And this is another of the very many cases where FAs are abusing their powers. What about freedom? As long as there is no law against it, this guy can show his boxers.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 1:14 pm
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To each his/her own. But I stick with my original thoughts that US did the right thing.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 1:19 pm
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What about freedom? As long as there is no law against it, this guy can show his boxers.
AFAIK, there are many jurisdictions in the US where it is against the law (i.e. against a city ordinance) to sag one's pants.

e.g. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/30/fashion/30baggy.html

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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 1:56 pm
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Here's what really amuses me:

Marman's mother, Donna Doyle, tells the paper that her son had attended a friend's funeral and he was still in an emotionally raw state.
I run a rental car office in Durham, NC and frequently when people are caught doing things they shouldn't (e.g. smoking in the car, not putting gas in it, keeping it longer than they've paid for etc.) they claim they were on their way to a funeral. Good to know it's not just an east coast thing.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 2:20 pm
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I don't consider wearing baggy pants at your knees being something worthy of being thrown off a plane, but ^ to the FA.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 2:46 pm
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Originally Posted by af fp
this is another of the very many cases where FAs are abusing their powers. What about freedom? As long as there is no law against it, this guy can show his boxers.
Nail on the head. This is a clear example of FA power abuse reducing freedom. Although I have a different fashion aesthetic, I don't feel it my right to tell someone else to dress. The reason why I will avoid US is not that I'm going to change my attire (or attitude) but because next time it could be one of us.
This a slippery slope: we start out arresting people for wearing clothes we don't like, then start arresting people whose lifestyles we don't share, then other religions, etc. Even when I don't share the perspective of someone else in free country, that does not mean I feel that they should not be allowed to have that perspective.
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