CO Award to Asia
Apr 21, 2006 | 1:36 pm
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CO Award to Asia
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I was looking for an award ticket to Asia from US. In CO.com, I saw there are 2 types of award, one is between North America and Asia (Series 4) which requires 60,000 miles and the other is between North America and North/South Asia (Series 4A) require 70,000. I'm flying to CGK. I don't know the difference between 4 and 4A, except the fact that 4A lists the countries and 4 only says Asia. Can someone help?
Thanks a lot!
Series 4:
North America: 48 contiguous U.S., Alaska, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America. Asia: Includes Asia, the Mid Pacific and the South Pacific.
Series 4A:
North America: 48 contiguous U.S., Alaska, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America. North Asia: Includes Japan, Korea, Mongolia and the Russian Far East. South Asia: Includes Brunei, Cambodia, China, Guam, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan and Thailand.
I was looking for an award ticket to Asia from US. In CO.com, I saw there are 2 types of award, one is between North America and Asia (Series 4) which requires 60,000 miles and the other is between North America and North/South Asia (Series 4A) require 70,000. I'm flying to CGK. I don't know the difference between 4 and 4A, except the fact that 4A lists the countries and 4 only says Asia. Can someone help?
Thanks a lot!
Series 4:
North America: 48 contiguous U.S., Alaska, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America. Asia: Includes Asia, the Mid Pacific and the South Pacific.
Series 4A:
North America: 48 contiguous U.S., Alaska, Canada, the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America. North Asia: Includes Japan, Korea, Mongolia and the Russian Far East. South Asia: Includes Brunei, Cambodia, China, Guam, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan and Thailand.
Apr 21, 2006 | 1:43 pm
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CGK = Soekarno Hatta Intl, Jakarta, Indonesia = Series 4A
Apr 21, 2006 | 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by PIT_Flyer
CGK = Soekarno Hatta Intl, Jakarta, Indonesia = Series 4A
Apr 21, 2006 | 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by themicah
How do you know?
Apr 21, 2006 | 2:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Lurker1999
It's in the first post?
BTW, there's a related thread here:
http://flyertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5664846
Apr 21, 2006 | 2:57 pm
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The difference between Series 4 and Series 4A is not at all clear. For purposes of Indonesia, however, it appears that Indonesia is a Series 4A reward because it is not part of Asia, the mid-Pacific, or the South Pacific and it is mentioned specifically in the Series 4A language.
Apr 21, 2006 | 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by CO 1E
The difference between Series 4 and Series 4A is not at all clear. For purposes of Indonesia, however, it appears that Indonesia is a Series 4A reward because it is not part of Asia, the mid-Pacific, or the South Pacific and it is mentioned specifically in the Series 4A language.
Apr 21, 2006 | 3:24 pm
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I am having exactly the same problem with a LCA-CGK award! CO tells me it's 80k miles (9D, "Between North Asia/South Asia and Europe"), I tell them it should be 60k (9B, "Between Europe and Asia"). As pointed out already, I have started another thread on this (http://flyertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5664846).
What's the story here? CO cannot get basic geography right? Or ... ???
What's the story here? CO cannot get basic geography right? Or ... ???
Apr 21, 2006 | 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by nomad1974
I am having exactly the same problem with a LCA-CGK award! CO tells me it's 80k miles (9D, "Between North Asia/South Asia and Europe"), I tell them it should be 60k (9B, "Between Europe and Asia"). As pointed out already, I have started another thread on this (http://flyertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5664846).
What's the story here? CO cannot get basic geography right? Or ... ???
What's the story here? CO cannot get basic geography right? Or ... ???
Apr 21, 2006 | 3:37 pm
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Originally Posted by themicah
How is Indonesia "not part of Asia?"
Apr 21, 2006 | 3:43 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerInCmh
I don't know why they have Asia and North/South Asia with different miles. All the countries in North/South Asia are geographically in Asia. I'm confused.
Last edited by CO 1E; Apr 21, 2006 at 3:48 pm
Apr 21, 2006 | 3:52 pm
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Originally Posted by CO 1E
If you interpret "Asia" in the Series 4 language literally, as meaning part of the continent of Asia, Indonesia would not be included because it is a collection of islands North of Australia and southeast of Vietnam, Thailand, and Malaysia. All I'm saying is that the two rules, read together, conflict. Rule 4A takes countries that are not part of the continent of Asia and lumps them into the same category as countries that are on the continent - ie, lumping Taiwan, Phillipines, Guam, Indonesia, etc. with China, Brunei, Cambodia, Vietnam, Singapore, Thailand, etc. So if you use the 4A definition of "Asia," yes, Indonesia is part of Asia, but then 4A would apply, so you're back to square one.
Originally Posted by CO 1E
Perhaps CO's purpose is to try to differentiate between cities in Japan and China (and maybe GUM) that it serves more directly like NRT, PEK, maybe GUM, with places like MNL or Jakarta that might take more interline connections or are not served by CO Mike.
[edited to add:] CO Mike also serves MNL, btw. See http://www.continental.com/travel/de...rld_200603.pdf for CO's int'l route map.
Apr 21, 2006 | 4:16 pm
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Originally Posted by themicah
So Japan's NOT part of Asia?
But CO Mike serves DPS, which is in Indonesia.
[edited to add:] CO Mike also serves MNL, btw. See http://www.continental.com/travel/de...rld_200603.pdf for CO's int'l route map.
But CO Mike serves DPS, which is in Indonesia.
[edited to add:] CO Mike also serves MNL, btw. See http://www.continental.com/travel/de...rld_200603.pdf for CO's int'l route map.
I knew CO Mike served Bali which is why I used Jakarta as the example, but didn't realize they served MNL. What I'm getting at is that maybe what CO really wants to do is differentiate between the common, easily reached Asian destinations like NRT, PEK, etc. with ones that are uncommon and more complicated to get to, ie, MNL or DPS via Guam or NRT, and in so doing, have left the rules completely unclear.
Last edited by CO 1E; Apr 21, 2006 at 4:30 pm Reason: Grammar
Apr 21, 2006 | 10:07 pm
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Remember all this is coming from the same folks that think New York City is in Jersey.
Apr 21, 2006 | 10:37 pm
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To be fair, they never said NYC is in jersey, rather, I believe the claim is that Newark is in New York..