Deadheading crew use of overhead storage
#16
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Sitting in coach (sigh) recently on a 100% full flight from Atlanta. Boarded Zone 1, after a group of Delta pilots boarded into coach seats. I have a picture (cannot figure out how to post it since it is not a URL...) of the baggage of a female pilot in 13E who placed her roller bag, pilot hat and her briefcase/computer bag in the overhead storage. Now, they were already prospectively checking rollerbags from Zone 4 and up, and made the usual multiple announcements about "please place your smaller carry-on items underneath the seat in front of you"...(and no, she did not have a third item placed under the seat). I actually comply with that request for my backpack, especially when it is a full flight. What message does it send when your own employees totally and publicly (there was NO question to anyone who later looked in vain for space what the baggage represented) ignore the policy? This struck me wrong, so I took the picture...
#17
Join Date: May 2010
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Zero issue with the roller bag or the fact that it was stowed in the overhead. Ditto the hat...where are you going to put such a hat, anyway? The computer bag added on top of the hat meant the total length was fully one half of the entire two-row bin (or, to put it another way, all of the row 13space before 13D or 13E were on the plane). It seems to me the message is the courtesy we expect and ask for repeatedly of our passengers...does not apply to us...
Maybe I read the OP wrong but did not sound like the hat was on top of anything but was in it's own "space"
(And the Marine on my flight a few weeks ago sat with his hat so it could be done!)
#18
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You do what the FA asks you do to do with a coat. You hold it until the boarding complete and put it ON TOP! It doesnt' get it's own "space" It's a hat LOL!
And if you don't get paid until the door closes WHY do you get to break line?
I am serious it's INCREDIBLY rude to the folks who PAY your salary. What other industry gets this "treatment"? It's not our fault you want to arrive late. I wouldn't be allowed to cut to the front if I arrived late and getting on the plane so I can go to my work location is part of my job. And of course there was the FA who did the "cut" a few weeks ago... she was flying non rev, but told me "I put on the uniform so I could get to the front of the line since I was arriving late" (I sat next to her on the plane) Hmm....
And if you don't get paid until the door closes WHY do you get to break line?
I am serious it's INCREDIBLY rude to the folks who PAY your salary. What other industry gets this "treatment"? It's not our fault you want to arrive late. I wouldn't be allowed to cut to the front if I arrived late and getting on the plane so I can go to my work location is part of my job. And of course there was the FA who did the "cut" a few weeks ago... she was flying non rev, but told me "I put on the uniform so I could get to the front of the line since I was arriving late" (I sat next to her on the plane) Hmm....
#20
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Was the "briefcase" a flight case like these? http://www.scottleather.com/product/catalog.cfm/nid/176
They are rigid and longer than you might think, so they do not fit under the seat. Crewmembers cannot check their luggage if that would cause a delay at the other end. They put their bags in the closets when possible, but frequently there isn't any room. This is more about preventing delays for flights down the line than it is for the crewmembers' convenience.
They are rigid and longer than you might think, so they do not fit under the seat. Crewmembers cannot check their luggage if that would cause a delay at the other end. They put their bags in the closets when possible, but frequently there isn't any room. This is more about preventing delays for flights down the line than it is for the crewmembers' convenience.
#21
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Hmmm in a better world there would be a separate lane for flight crew but thats the TSA's fault not the flight crew and I for one would like them at the gate before me and they are pretty quick getting through. As far as orange county commuters comment "we pay your salary" that's just a down right obnoxious comment and comparing to the grocery store line....really!!! Btw I've witnessed many go to the center island of the store to pay for something and not wait in line or use the automatic machine.
I agree air travel is not only
much worse for most passenger but it's also much more stressful for the flight crew.
As long as the hat was wedged in or on top it is not an issue and if a marine chooses to hold his hat fair enough I put my hats if I am wearing one on top of my bag in the overhead.
As for the comment about the flight crew putting on her uniform just so she can get to the front while non rev, well there are those who abuse the system. Should the deadheading pilot put something under the seat, perhap but if you don't have the exact reason why then you maybe simple ask...
I agree air travel is not only
much worse for most passenger but it's also much more stressful for the flight crew.
As long as the hat was wedged in or on top it is not an issue and if a marine chooses to hold his hat fair enough I put my hats if I am wearing one on top of my bag in the overhead.
As for the comment about the flight crew putting on her uniform just so she can get to the front while non rev, well there are those who abuse the system. Should the deadheading pilot put something under the seat, perhap but if you don't have the exact reason why then you maybe simple ask...
#22
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It's the entire "entitled" system of the airlines.
Think about it, when you go to the grocery store do thier employees get to "cut line" at the cash register? But at an airport the airline employees get to cut off thier customers because "we are too important to stand in line" And that kind of explains thier entire view of thier "customers"
Same thing with thier luggage etc.... Customer care has an issue in the entire industry, it's not just Delta! (But if you put something on top of that hat maybe the pilot would learn )
Think about it, when you go to the grocery store do thier employees get to "cut line" at the cash register? But at an airport the airline employees get to cut off thier customers because "we are too important to stand in line" And that kind of explains thier entire view of thier "customers"
Same thing with thier luggage etc.... Customer care has an issue in the entire industry, it's not just Delta! (But if you put something on top of that hat maybe the pilot would learn )
#23
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ha??? Are you serious???
Pilots have a checklist and aircraft walk around to do, and FA's check emergency equipment and prepare cabin for boarding.
We dont get paid untill boarding door is closed, so we make it there just in time to make our FAA mandatory checks and start boarding.
Now excuse me but can I get in front of you sir?? Thank you
Pilots have a checklist and aircraft walk around to do, and FA's check emergency equipment and prepare cabin for boarding.
We dont get paid untill boarding door is closed, so we make it there just in time to make our FAA mandatory checks and start boarding.
Now excuse me but can I get in front of you sir?? Thank you
#24
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Negative. No union. DL never had FA union. Not sure what you find as disregarding pax in my post, but I sure do appreciate all the 24,000 I have received this past year. MUst be doing something right in CS.
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#27
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Delta pilots are given little yellow tags that they can gate check their luggage while on a flight, mainline or not. But they usually will do this when they get on last and there is no overhead space left. When they might have a connection to work another flight at the destination, the last thing you/they want to is to have to go to baggage claim, and to re-clear security, adding another 30 minutes to the process.
The hat? The hat can fit almost anywhere. On top of the bag, in between two bags. I agree a small laptop bag should go under the seat. After takeoff I just bring my laptop bag up under my legs so I can stretch out my feet.
And the line cutting? Would you rather have the crew wait in line with everyone else or get to the aircraft as quickly as possible to do their pre-flight checks and get the flight out on-time? Not sure why some think that on-duty flight crews should wait in line, when they are going to work.
The hat? The hat can fit almost anywhere. On top of the bag, in between two bags. I agree a small laptop bag should go under the seat. After takeoff I just bring my laptop bag up under my legs so I can stretch out my feet.
And the line cutting? Would you rather have the crew wait in line with everyone else or get to the aircraft as quickly as possible to do their pre-flight checks and get the flight out on-time? Not sure why some think that on-duty flight crews should wait in line, when they are going to work.
#28
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Hundreds of thousands of American workers get to their place of employment anywhere from a half hour to an hour early for a number of reasons ranging from finding a good parking place to checking out their equipment before the line starts up. Some get paid for that time, but some don't. Not sure what makes flight crews special regarding prep time for their job. The attitude of some airline employees in this thread is a little bit entitled, IMO.
#29
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Hundreds of thousands of American workers get to their place of employment anywhere from a half hour to an hour early for a number of reasons ranging from finding a good parking place to checking out their equipment before the line starts up. Some get paid for that time, but some don't. Not sure what makes flight crews special regarding prep time for their job. The attitude of some airline employees in this thread is a little bit entitled, IMO.
#30
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