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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 12:54 pm
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by michaelcoyote
If you don't care to haul all your luggage around, there are plenty of cartage services at the airport that will deliver your bag to the address of your choosing the next day. I generally pack a smaller carryon with a change of clothes, and then my luggage comes by courier the next day.

Its been a few years but i recall that all i had to do was exit customs and turn left and walk to the end of the arrivals hall.

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This service is also called "takkyubin".
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by phred
Also, I just assumed that a train as well-known and well-patronized as the N'EX would run all day long every 20 or 30 minutes.
This is a result of very poor planning on the part of the airport authority/government or the railways, or both.

IIRC, the last part of the line leading into NRT is not double tracked but actually 2 seperate single tracks of rail. One's operated by JR and the other by Keisei. The result is that trains for each company will run on its own tracks, vastly reducing capacity as there can only be one train on the track at any one time.
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 6:53 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
This is a result of very poor planning on the part of the airport authority/government or the railways, or both.
Welcome to Narita!

Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
IIRC, the last part of the line leading into NRT is not double tracked but actually 2 seperate single tracks of rail. One's operated by JR and the other by Keisei. The result is that trains for each company will run on its own tracks, vastly reducing capacity as there can only be one train on the track at any one time.
AFAIK there is no bottleneck at the NRT end of the line - certainly the JR train puts on a little spurt of speed in the section between Narita and Airport Terminal 2.

There are, however, very serious "capacity" issues on the sections between Shinjuku and Tokyo / between Yokohama and Tokyo and between Tokyo and Chiba. These are all very busy sections of the network which N'EX has to share with other JR trains. Innevitably, this makes a joke of the title "Express" for the N'EX. (For example, the N'EX takes much longer to travel between Tokyo and Shinjuku than a Chuo Line "Limited Express" train which takes a more direct route).
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 7:12 pm
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Originally Posted by jib71
AFAIK there is no bottleneck at the NRT end of the line
I would agree with this statement for the most part. Either I've been very lucky, or the run from NRT to Tokyo isn't that congested most of the time. I've only had one brief (3 minute) delay about halfway between NRT and Tokyo, and that was for track maintenance. IIRC (I'm usually asleep while on the NEX) the NEX uses so-called "Express" tracks for almost all of the way to Tokyo station.
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There are, however, very serious "capacity" issues on the sections between Shinjuku and Tokyo / between Yokohama and Tokyo and between Tokyo and Chiba. These are all very busy sections of the network which N'EX has to share with other JR trains. Innevitably, this makes a joke of the title "Express" for the N'EX. (For example, the N'EX takes much longer to travel between Tokyo and Shinjuku than a Chuo Line "Limited Express" train which takes a more direct route).
Quite right. Since I normally just have an overnight bag and laptop, I get off at Tokyo and take the Subway to Nishi-Azabu (Roppongi station on the Hibiya line).
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 8:08 pm
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I do not think that end section creates a bottleneck. Keisei is able to run a mixture of limited express and skyliner services per hour.
The Narita Rapid Railway in a few years will allow Skyliner services to get to Nippori in about 36 minutes.

Quite right. Since I normally just have an overnight bag and laptop, I get off at Tokyo and take the Subway to Nishi-Azabu (Roppongi station on the Hibiya line).
Have you consider taking Keisei instead of JR for this route?
The Limited Express or Skyliner to Keisei Ueno Station, walk over to the Hibiya Line Station at Ueno Station right to Roppongi, plus you'll probably save 1000-2000yen.
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 8:41 pm
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Originally Posted by LapLap
This service is also called "takkyubin".

Yes, that's them..

It's also a godsend when traveling with 3 weeks of clothes, gifts, duty free booze, etc :-)

my favourite is Yamato Kuroneko, for no other reason than the extremely cute "momma cat" logo

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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by railroadtycoon
Have you consider taking Keisei instead of JR for this route?
The Limited Express or Skyliner to Keisei Ueno Station, walk over to the Hibiya Line Station at Ueno Station right to Roppongi, plus you'll probably save 1000-2000yen.
Oh man!! I wish I had thought of this.. I ended up taking the Skyliner qute a few times, but never thought of taking the Hibiya line over to Ueno. I always ended up having to make several transfers.

..and to think i was coming from Daikanyama too!

Oh well, live and learn (the tokyo trains).. :-)

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Old Jul 28, 2006 | 9:36 am
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Originally Posted by LapLap
What I can't get my head around is how the route to Shinagawa (which is mostly freeway) can be congested and the roads between Shinagawa and Ebisu be clear - which they must be if your taxi ride takes you 20 minutes Doesn't quite make sense to me.
I have no idea. I have never taken the bus, and never plan to. I only know I get there quicker and they arrive worn out. I can say the route the taxi drivers take is a lot of narrow, back neighborhood type of streets and not on the highway, so perhaps they can travel a route the bus cannot?

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Anyway, could you let us know how much you are usually charged for the taxi ride between Shinagawa and Ebisu? And also what the most you have been charged for this route has been. I'm personally very nervous about taking taxis in Tokyo, and this info would be extremely helpful!
I will try and find an old receipt. It is not cheap - but I have also stayed in Shinagawa itself the past few trips so I am not exactly remembering the Ebisu - Shinagawa fare total in yen. I want to say in the $40 - $60 USD range? Since I was traveling for business I did not pay too much attention - I just remember the total for the cab + NRT was well with reason for my corporate travel policies.
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Old Jul 28, 2006 | 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by railroadtycoon
Have you consider taking Keisei instead of JR for this route? The Limited Express or Skyliner to Keisei Ueno Station, walk over to the Hibiya Line Station at Ueno Station right to Roppongi, plus you'll probably save 1000-2000yen.
Yeah, but I usually have a JR railpass, so it doesn't cost anything to take the NEX, and I get a monthly subway pass as well. Based on my railpass usage, I can't see how JR makes ANY money on me, but then again, except for special events like Yuki Matsuri, etc., there have been very few times that I've been on a full Shinkansen or other long distance train (Green cars, of course) .
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Originally Posted by michaelcoyote
my favourite is Yamato Kuroneko, for no other reason than the extremely cute "momma cat" logo
Actually, I believe the more literal translation is "Black Cat", but it could be a "momma" black cat Yamato pretty much has a stranglehold on courier service (those pink forms are everywhere) , although they are/were in a nasty fight with the post office which is trying to get a piece of the action.
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Yeah, but I usually have a JR railpass, so it doesn't cost anything to take the NEX, and I get a monthly subway pass as well. Based on my railpass usage, I can't see how JR makes ANY money on me, but then again, except for special events like Yuki Matsuri, etc., there have been very few times that I've been on a full Shinkansen or other long distance train (Green cars, of course) .
I think it is still an alternative out there even if one had the JR pass, for example you can add an extra day on your JR pass usage (to travel more in your schedule) by not using the rail pass on the first day only from Narita Airport - Tokyo.
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Old Jul 28, 2006 | 10:38 am
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Originally Posted by dbuckho
I will try and find an old receipt. It is not cheap - but I have also stayed in Shinagawa itself the past few trips so I am not exactly remembering the Ebisu - Shinagawa fare total in yen. I want to say in the $40 - $60 USD range? Since I was traveling for business I did not pay too much attention - I just remember the total for the cab + NRT was well with reason for my corporate travel policies.
Thank you! ^

that was very helpful!
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Originally Posted by RD57
Yamato pretty much has a stranglehold on courier service
... there's also Sagawa (with the Edo-era hikyaku delivery guy logo) and Nittsu/Pelican (with the pelican logo).
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This is the information I received directly from the Westin for a trip at the end of May (our first to Japan). We took the N'ex to Tokyo station (plenty of available seats and luggage space), connecting to Yamanote line to Ebisu during rush hour on a Thursday.

Do not make the same mistake I did and exit Ebisu at street level, the walk to the Westin is uphill all the way (no fun with luggage). Use the covered walkway with moving sidewalks on the upper level (nice if it's raining). Exit the walkway and cross the street to Yebisu Garden Place, which is essentially a planned mixed-use development (mall, retail, dining, hotel, office, residential). You will see the Westin on the far side of the mall.

We rode the limo bus back to NRT on Sunday. There were no more than 3 five minute stops on the way, and only about 10 people on the bus.

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To Tokyo Station, please allow 55bminutes, also allow one hour and 10 minutes to Shinagawa station. No reservation is required. Please see timetable.

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It takes around 40-50 minutes to The Westin Tokyo. The taxi fare is around 4,000yen. Please show the map to your taxi driver.

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