RTW on Skyteam?
Feb 3, 2011 | 4:00 am
#496
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Paris, France
Programs: Flying Blue Platinum
Posts: 198
AF RTW rules after 11 FEB 11
[KVS Availability Tool 6.0.7/Diamond - DotRes: PPT-PPT/AF/FRTWSKY3/10214 EUR]
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ELIGIBILITY : NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. DAY_TIME : NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. SEASONALITY : NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. FLIGHT_APPLICATION : THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY LH FLIGHT ANY IB FLIGHT ANY LX FLIGHT ANY FC FLIGHT ANY SK FLIGHT ANY AA FLIGHT ANY US FLIGHT ANY UA FLIGHT ANY UU FLIGHT ANY PK FLIGHT ANY JS FLIGHT ANY FG FLIGHT ANY GA FLIGHT ANY QZ FLIGHT ANY 3Y FLIGHT ANY RI FLIGHT ANY MZ FLIGHT ANY 7P FLIGHT ANY AW FLIGHT ANY RW FLIGHT ANY NV FLIGHT ANY DC FLIGHT ANY QH FLIGHT ANY R8 FLIGHT ANY O3 FLIGHT ANY I7 FLIGHT ANY ZC FLIGHT ANY Q4 FLIGHT ANY EO FLIGHT ANY BA FLIGHT ANY W5 FLIGHT ANY UF FLIGHT ANY KF FLIGHT ANY C2 FLIGHT ANY OD FLIGHT ANY K9 FLIGHT ANY X7 FLIGHT ANY FT FLIGHT ANY MQ FLIGHT ANY 2S FLIGHT ANY Z7 FLIGHT ANY 6A FLIGHT ANY M9 FLIGHT ANY IP FLIGHT ANY W7 FLIGHT ANY SX FLIGHT ANY UQ FLIGHT ANY D3 FLIGHT. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY KJ FLIGHT ANY 8F FLIGHT ANY I8 FLIGHT ANY RQ FLIGHT ANY 4Q FLIGHT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY 0K FLIGHT ANY DZ FLIGHT ANY D8 FLIGHT AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING AF FLIGHTS 3281 THROUGH 3288 AF FLIGHTS 4400 THROUGH 4999 AF FLIGHTS 7100 THROUGH 7288 AF FLIGHTS 8000 THROUGH 9999 AM FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 4999 AM FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 7399 AM FLIGHTS 9120 THROUGH 9121 AM FLIGHTS 9300 THROUGH 9399 AM FLIGHTS 9563 THROUGH 9564 AZ FLIGHTS 2400 THROUGH 3999 AZ FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 7999 DL FLIGHTS 6800 THROUGH 6999 DL FLIGHTS 7400 THROUGH 9999 KE FLIGHTS 2707 THROUGH 2899 KE FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 7999 KL FLIGHTS 2500 THROUGH 2996 KL FLIGHTS 2999 THROUGH 3119 KL FLIGHTS 3130 THROUGH 4349 KL FLIGHTS 7100 THROUGH 7399 KQ FLIGHTS 0490 THROUGH 0491 KQ FLIGHTS 0494 THROUGH 0495 KQ FLIGHTS 1107 THROUGH 1108 KQ FLIGHTS 1534 THROUGH 1535 KQ FLIGHTS 1565 THROUGH 1566 KQ FLIGHTS 6201 THROUGH 6203 KQ FLIGHTS 6721 THROUGH 6741 OK FLIGHTS 3320 THROUGH 3370 OK FLIGHTS 4000 THROUGH 4189 OK FLIGHTS 4192 THROUGH 4625 OK FLIGHTS 4630 THROUGH 4719 OK FLIGHTS 4730 THROUGH 4743 OK FLIGHTS 4770 THROUGH 4999 SU FLIGHTS 0401 THROUGH 0500 SU FLIGHTS 0601 THROUGH 0700 UX FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 3999 UX FLIGHTS 017 THROUGH 018. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING CZ FLIGHTS 0100 THROUGH 0299 CZ FLIGHTS 0400 THROUGH 0599 CZ FLIGHTS 0700 THROUGH 0999 CZ FLIGHTS 1000 THROUGH 2999 CZ FLIGHTS 4000 THROUGH 5999 CZ FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 9999. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING VN FLIGHT 0367 VN FLIGHT 0368 VN FLIGHT 0824 VN FLIGHT 0825 VN FLIGHT 0866 VN FLIGHT 0867 VN FLIGHT 0914 VN FLIGHT 0915 VN FLIGHT 0948 VN FLIGHT 0949 VN FLIGHTS 0590 THROUGH 0599 VN FLIGHTS 0956 THROUGH 0959 VN FLIGHTS 0990 THROUGH 0999 VN FLIGHTS 1700 THROUGH 1999 VN FLIGHTS 9800 THROUGH 9999 RO FLIGHTS 9185 THROUGH 9186 RO FLIGHTS 9205 THROUGH 9208 RO FLIGHTS 9221 THROUGH 9224 RO FLIGHTS 9331 THROUGH 9352. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AF FLIGHT ANY AM FLIGHT ANY AZ FLIGHT ANY CZ FLIGHT ANY DL FLIGHT ANY KE FLIGHT ANY KL FLIGHT ANY KQ FLIGHT ANY OK FLIGHT ANY SU FLIGHT ANY UX FLIGHT ANY VN FLIGHT ANY RO FLIGHT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. TRAVEL MUST INCLUDE ONLY ONE TRANSATLANTIC CROSSING BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2/ONLY ONE TRANSPACIFIC CROSSING BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3/ AND ONLY ONE TRANSCONTINENTAL CROSSING BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 THE ENTIRE JOURNEY IS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING PERMITTED MILAGE PER FARE. 39000 FOR -RTWSKY1 FARES 34000 FOR -RTWSKY2 FARES 29000 FOR -RTWSKY3 FARES 26000 FOR -RTWSKY4 FARES 20000 FOR -RTWSKY5 FARES -------------------------------------------------- EXCEPT FOR FARES ORIGINATING IN AUSTRALIA / NEW CALEDONIA / NEW ZEALAND / FIDJI / FRENCH POLYNESIA 44000 FOR -RTWSKY1 FARES 39000 FOR -RTWSKY2 FARES 34000 FOR -RTWSKY3 FARES 29000 FOR -RTWSKY4 FARES -------------------------------------------------- EXCEPT FOR FARES ORIGINATING IN KENYA 22000 FOR -RTWSKY5 FARES ADVANCE_RESERVATIONS_TICKETING : RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR THE FIRST SECTOR. WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 100 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE, TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT LEAST 93 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR THE FIRST SECTOR. WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 11 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE, TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 7 DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 10 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER. OR - RESERVATIONS ON THE FIRST SECTOR ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 7 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 72 HOURS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 7 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. RESERVATION AND TICKET ISSUANCE MUST BE MADE FOR SECTORS UP TO AND INCLUDING THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR. OTHER SECTORS MAY BE BOOKED AT ANY TIME. DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE CRS LAST TICKETING DATE AND TTL ROBOT REMARK. THE MOST RESTRICTIVE DATE PREVAILS. -------------------------------------------------- MINIMUM_STAY : TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 10 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY ORIGIN. MAXIMUM_STAY : TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY ORIGIN. STOPOVERS : 3 STOPOVERS REQUIRED AND A MAXIMUM OF 15 PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT 5 IN UNITED STATES/CANADA 5 IN AUSTRALIA 3 IN JAPAN/CHINA 15 AT ANY POINT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. MINIMUM 3 STOPOVERS REQUIRED AND MAXIMUM 15 STOPOVERS PERMITTED APPLICATION OF STOPOVERS - . MAXIMUM OF 1 STOPOVER PERMITTED IN ANY ONE CITY . NOT MORE THAN 5 STOPOVERS PERMITTED WITHIN AUSTRALIA . NOT MORE THAN 5 STOPOVERS PERMITED WITHIN CONTINENTAL USA / CANADA . NOT MORE THAN 3 STOPOVERS PERMITTED WITHIN JAPAN . NOT MORE THAN 3 STOPOVERS PERMITTED WITHIN CHINA 1.FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING AUSTRALIA STOPOVERS PERMITTED AT AUSTRALIAN INTERNATIONAL GATEWAYS ONLY 2.FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN EUROP NOT MORE THAN 5 STOPOVERS PERMITTED WITHIN EUROP 3.FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN PPT ONE ADDITIONAL STOPOVER IS PERMITTED IN LAX - - - A FLIGHT COUPON WITHOUT CONFIRMED SPACE CONSTITUTES A STOPOVER - - - THE FOLLOWING POINTS/AIRPORTS SHALL BE CONSIDERED AS ONE CITY -- - NYC/JFK/LGA/EWR - BWI/WAS/IAD/DCA - FLL/MIA/PBI - LAX/ONT/SNA/BUR - SFO/OAK/SJC - OSA/KIX/ITM TRANSFERS : UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT. FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. --- EXCEPTIONS ONLY 2 TRANSFERS MAY OCCUR AT A SINGLE CITY TWO TRANSFERS ARE PERMITTED IN THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN EXCEPT FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN USA 4 TRANSFERS ARE PERMITTED. --- SURFACE SECTORS - INTERMEDIATE SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED AT PASSENGERS EXPENSE. MILEAGE FOR SURFACE SECTORS MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED MILEAGE CALCULATION. --- SIDE TRIPS TO/FROM NOU -VALID ON AF STOCK ONLY- A SIDE TRIP AT A CHARGE IS PERMITTED ON SB SERVICES BETWEEN NOU AND AKL/BNE/SYD/NAN/PPT. MILEAGE FOR THIS SECTOR MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE MPM CALCULATION. TICKET ON SB SERVICES SHOULD BE ISSUED SEPARATLY IN CONJONCTION WITH THE SKYTEAM RTW TICKET. - FORFAIT - SHOULD APPEAR IN THE FARE AMOUNT BOX FARE BASIS CODE TO BE USED AS FOLLOWS. FARES PUBLISHED IN EUROS TO BE CONVERTED IF NEEDED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AT THE BSR. - RBD ON SB SERVICES D D H DSBRTWOW DSBRTWRT HSBRTWOW NOU-AKL/BNE/SYD/NAN 389 778 167 NOU-PPT 606 1212 261 H HSBRTWRT NOU-AKL/BNE/SYD/NAN 334 NOU-PPT 522 COMBINATIONS : DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS PERMITTED. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AF/AZ/ CZ/DL/KE/KL OR FOR CARRIER KQ/OK/SU/UX/VN/RO IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF. BLACKOUT_DATES : NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY. SURCHARGES : IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 3. OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT PSGR UNDER 3. OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 3. THERE IS NO EQUIPMENT SURCHARGE PER DIRECTION FOR TRAVEL IN TRAIN AIRCRAFT. OR - THERE IS NO FUEL SURCHARGE PER DIRECTION. THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN IRAN. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SALES MAY BE PERMITTED WORLDWIDE BUT TICKETS SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN WILL QUOTE THE Q-SURCHARGE INSTEAD OF YQ FOR AF. FOR TICKETING ON/BEFORE 26JAN11 FUEL SURCHARGE OF EUR 200.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE. FOR TICKETING ON/AFTER 27JAN11 FUEL SURCHARGE OF EUR 220.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE. ACCOMPANIED_TRAVEL : ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED. TRAVEL_RESTRICTIONS : VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON EACH TRIP ON/BEFORE 31DEC13. SALES_RESTRICTIONS : NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. TICKET MUST BE ISSUED ON AF/AM/AZ/DL/KE/KL/ KQ/NW/OK/SU/UX/CZ/VN/RO STOCK ONLY --- FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON BEFORE 31DEC13 - - - - - - - - FARE BASIS CODES SHALL APPLY AS FOLLOWS -- CXR FIRST BUSINESS ECONOMY AF FRTWSKY1/2/3 IRTWSKY1/2/3 VRTWSKY1/2/3 ZRTWSKY5 LRTWSKY4 ------------------------------------ QRTWSKY5 -- - - - - - - - - - - FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/AFTER 01JUN11 AND FOR TICKETING ISSUED ON/AFTER 11FEB11 - - - - - - - - - - FARE BASIS CODES SHALL APPLY AS FOLLOWS -- CXR FIRST BUSINESS ECONOMY AF FRTWSKY1/2/3 IRTWSKY1/2/3 LRTWSKY1/2/3 ZRTWSKY5 QRTWSKY4 ------------------------------------ TRTWSKY5 -- FOR ISSUANCE ON ANOTHER SKYTEAM CARRIER S STOCK PLEASE CHECK APPROPRIATE CARRIER S RULE. -------------------------------------------------- FARES FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH A SPECIFIED LOCAL CURRENCY FARE IS NOT SHOWN WILL BE THE FARE APPLICABLE FROM THE USA CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AT THE BANKERS SELLING RATE. --------- THE FARE TO BE PAID SHALL BE THE FARE APPLICABLE FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN OR THE FARE APPLICABLE FROM THE POINT OF PAYMENT WHICHEVER IS HIGHER. PENALTIES : NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. 1/CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE A. BEFORE TICKETING DEADLINE PERMITTED. B. AFTER TICKETING DEADLINE .. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING CANADA / MEXICO / UNITED STATE NO CHANGES PERMITTED ON THE OUTBOUND SECTOR UP TO AND INCLUDING FIRST INTERCONTINENTAL SECTOR. ALL OTHER SECTORS REBOOKING/REVALIDATION/REROUTING PERMITTED AT A CHARGE OF USD 100/CAD 150 PER TRANSACTION. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY. CHANGE FEE DOES NOT APPLY WHEN CONFIRMING OPEN SEGMENTS. EXCEPTION- IN THE EVENT OF DEATH OF THE PASSENGER AS EVIDENCED BY A CERTIFICATE MEMBERS OF PASSENGERS IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER MAY REROUTE THE REMAINDER OF THE JOURNEY WITHOUT CHARGE. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING ALL OTHER POINTS PERMITTED - - - 2/CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE- NO CHANGES PERMITTED ON REMAINING OUTBOUND SECTORS UP TO AND INCLUDING FIRST INTERCONTINENTAL SECTOR. FOR ALL OTHER SECTORS REBOOKING/REVALIDATION/REROUTING PERMITTED AT A CHARGE OF USD 100/CAD 150 PER TRANSACTION. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY. CHANGE FEE DOES NOT APPLY WHEN CONFIRMING OPEN SEGMENTS. EXCEPTION- IN THE EVENT OF DEATH OF THE PASSENGER AS EVIDENCED BY A CERTIFICATE MEMBERS OF THE PASSENGERS IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER MAY REROUTE THE REMAINDER OF THE JOURNEY WITHOUT CHARGE. - - - 3/ GUIDELINES FOR CHANGES .A. TPMS MUST BE RECALCULATED FOR THE NEW ROUTING FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN. IF NEW ROUTING RESULTS IN MILES GREATER THAN MAXIMUM PREMITTED MILES COLLECT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE NEW APPLICABLE FARE FOR USD 100/CAD 150 PER TRANSACTION. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY. .B. IF NEW ROUTING RESULTS IN FEWER MILES THAN ORIGINAL PERMITTED MILES THE ORIGINAL FARE STILL APPLIES PLUS A CHARGE OF USD 100/CAD 150 PER TRANSACTION. NO REFUND WILL APPLY. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY. EXCEPTION- IN THE EVENT OF DEATH OF THE PASSENGER AS EVIDENCED BY A CERTIFICATE MEMBERS OF PASSENGERS IMMEDIATE FAMILY OR ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER MAY REROUTE THE REMAINDER OF THE JOURNEY WITHOUT CHARGE. .C. IF NEW ROUTING IS NO LONGER ROUND-THE-WORLD TRAVEL COLLECT THE DIFFERENCE IF ANY BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR THE NEW JOURNEY CALCULATED FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN PLUS A CHARGE OF USD 100/CAD 150 PER TRANSACTION. NO REFUND WILL APPLY IF THE RECALCULATED FARE FOR THE NEW JOURNEY IS LOWER THAN THE ROUND-THE-WORLD FARE PAID. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY. .D. FOR UPGRADING/REISSUE SEE CREDIT TOWARD FURTHER TRANSPORTATION BELOW. - - - 4/ CANCELLATIONS BEFORE DEPARTURE .A. BEFORE TICKETING DEADLINE FULL REFUND WILL APPLY. .B. AFTER TICKETING DEADLINE FOR CANCEL/NON-SHOW/REFUND A FEE OF USD 150/CAD200 WILL APPLY. EXCEPTION- IN THE EVENT OF DEATH OF THE PASSENGER/ FAMILY MEMBER OR AN ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER AS EVIDENCED BY A CERTIFICATE THE NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT MAY BE USED AS A CREDIT TOWARDS PAYMENT OF AN EQUIVALENT OR HIGHER APPLICABLE FARE. THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. CANCELLATIONS AFTER DEPARTURE- REFUND IF ANY WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED. NO REFUND APPLIES WHEN DOWNGRADING FROM A HIGHER ROUND-THE-WORLD FARE TO A LOWER ROUND-THE-WORLD FARE. CREDIT TOWARDS FURTHER TRANSPORTATION- TICKETS MAY BE UPGRADED FROM A LOWER ROUND-THE-WORLD FARE TO A HIGHER ROUND-THE-WORLD FARE UPON PAYMENT OF THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE RECALCULATED FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN PLUS THE REISSUE CHARGE OF USD 100/ CAD 150. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY. HIP_MILEAGE_EXCEPTIONS : NOTE - HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY. TRAVEL MUST INCLUDE ONLY ONE TRANSATLANTIC CROSSING BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2 // ONLY ONE TRANSPACIFIC CROSSING BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3 // AND ONLY ONE TRANSCONTINENTAL CROSSING BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3 THE ENTIRE JOURNEY IS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING PERMITTED MILEAGE PER FARE. 39000 FOR -RTWSKY1 FARES 34000 FOR -RTWSKY2 FARES 29000 FOR -RTWSKY3 FARES 26000 FOR -RTWSKY4 FARES 20000 FOR -RTWSKY5 FARES -------------- EXCEPT FOR FARES ORIGINATING IN AUSTRALIA / NEW CALEDONIA / NEW ZEALAND / FIDJI / FRENCH POLYNESIA 44000 FOR -RTWSKY1 FARES 39000 FOR -RTWSKY2 FARES 34000 FOR -RTWSKY3 FARES 29000 FOR -RTWSKY4 FARES -------------------------------------------------- MAXIMUN MILEAGE PERMITTED ON THESE FARE 20000 FOR ZRTWSKY5 AND QRTWSKY5 EXCEPTION MAXI MILEAGE PERMITTED FARE ORIGINATING KENYA 22000 FOR ZRTWSKY5 AND QRTWSKY5. TICKET_ENDORSEMENTS : NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX AS FOLLOWS - VALID AF/AM/AZ/CZ/DL/KE/KL/KQ/NW/OK/SU/UX/VN/RO ONLY / NON-REF CHILDREN_DISCOUNTS : CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER. OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER. OR - NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. UNACCOMPANIED CHILD WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR TRAVEL AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE TOUR_CONDUCTOR_DISCOUNTS : TUR/TOUR CONDUCTOR PSGR - NO DISCOUNT. AGENT_DISCOUNTS : AGT/AGENT PSGR - NO DISCOUNT. ALL_OTHER_DISCOUNTS : NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NOT PERMITTED. MISCELLANEOUS_PROVISIONS : NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. THESE FARES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR SKYPASS FREQUENT FLYER PROGRAM MILEAGE UPGRADES. AND - NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. THE FARE THAT APPLIES ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE IS ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND THE SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED ON THE TICKET. ANY MODIFICATION MAY REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT. FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS- THE TICKET/ OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / IS NOT VALID IF THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET / OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / . GROUPS : NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY. TOURS : NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY. VISIT_ANOTHER_COUNTRY : NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY. DEPOSITS : NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY. VOLUNTARY_CHANGES : NO VOLUNTARY CHANGES DATA FOUND. VOLUNTARY_REFUNDS : NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND. RULE_APPLICATION_AND_OTHER_CONDITIONS : NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SKYTEAM ROUND-THE-WORLD FARE APPLICABLE TO AF FOR JOINT TRANSPORTATION WITH AF/AM/AZ/CZ/DL/KE/KL/KQ/OK/SU/UX/ VN/RO APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-THE-WORLD JOURNEYS. THESE FARES APPLY FOR ROUND-THE-WORLD TRAVEL TO/FROM THE COUNTRIES SERVED BY THE PARTICIPATING CARRIERS IN THIS RULE. ----------- TRAVEL MUST COMMENCE FROM AND RETURN TO THE SAME COUNTRY.ARE CONSIDERED AS ONE COUNTRY SCANDINAVIA / CANADA AND U.S. / SOUTHWEST PACIFIC / HKG AND CHINA . ----------- ITINERARY MAY REFLECT TRAVEL GREATHER THAN ROUND THE WORLD PROVIDED IT IS NOT VIA THE POINT OF ORIGIN /DESTINATION AND STILL TERMINATES IN THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN --------------- INTERCONTINENTAL TRAVEL SHALL BE DEFINED AS TRAVEL FROM ONE CONTINENT TO ANOTHER. AFRICA / ASIA / EUROPE / MIDDLE EAST / NORTH AMERICA / SOUTH AMERICA AND SOUTH WEST PACIFIC ARE CONSIDERED SEVEN DIFFERENT CONTINENTS. --------------- TRAVEL BETWEEN POINTS IN CENTRAL AMERICA AND POINTS IN SOUTH AMERICA/NORTH AMERICA/MEXICO SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED INTERCONTINENTAL TRAVEL. --------------- TRAVEL MUST INCLUDE ONLY ONE TRANSATLANTIC CROSSING BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2/ONLY ONE TRANSPACIFIC CROSSING BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3/ AND ONLY ONE TRANCONTINENTAL CROSSING BETWEEN AREA2 AND AREA 3 --------------- FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE . CAPACITY LIMITATIONS AF/AM/AZ/CZ/DL/KE/KL/KQ/OK/SU/UX/VN/RO SHALL LIMIT NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY GIVEN FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS THAT EACH CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON ANY GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGEMENT. --- ON SECTORS WHERE FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS IS NOT OFFERED/AVAILABLE AT THE TIME OF BOOKING - PASSENGERS WILL BE ACCOMODATED IN THE NEXT LOWER CLASS. NO REFUND WILL APPLY. EXCEPTION - ON SECTORS WITHIN/BETWEEN THE CONTINENTAL U.S./CANADA WHERE BUSINESS CLASS IS NOT OFFERED - PASSENGERS WILL BE ACCOMODATED IN FIRST CLASS SUBJECT TO AVAILABILITY OF SEATS AT THE TIME OF BOOKING AT A SURCHARGE /Q/ OF USD100.00 PER FLIGHT SEGMENT. ----- SKYTEAM ROUND THE WORLD TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED IN CONJUNCTION WITH ONE SKYTEAM EUROPASS AND/OR ONE SKYTEAM AMERICAPASS AND/OR ONE ASIA PASS TICKET ----- A MINIMUM OF 4 AND A MAXIMUM OF 16 FLIGHT SEGMENTS INCLUDING SURFACE SEGMENTS ARE PERMITTED FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY . THE FARE THAT APPLIES ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE IS ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND THE SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED ON THE TICKET. ANY MODIFICATION MAY REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT. FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS- THE TICKET/ OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / IS NOT VALID IF THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET / OR ELECTRONIC TICKET / .
Feb 14, 2011 | 12:04 am
#497
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 16
Just hoping for some clarification. I'm about to try to book a mileage round the world ticket with SkyTeam using Korean Air miles.
My summer plans are to travel the following route:
Seoul-Tel Aviv-Berlin-New York-St Thomas-Spokane-Honolulu-Seoul.
If I understand the award rules correctly, I can't make the 4 stops in the US, as it only permits 3 in any region. Is this correct? It wouldn't be too much of a hassle to buy a separate round trip ticket NYC-STT and cut out the St Thomas stop on the route, but I'd prefer not to have to buy that ticket if I don't have to. So a) am I correct in that I can't stop that many times in North America, and b) if I cut out the St. Thomas stop, would the routing then be fine for the award booking?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.
My summer plans are to travel the following route:
Seoul-Tel Aviv-Berlin-New York-St Thomas-Spokane-Honolulu-Seoul.
If I understand the award rules correctly, I can't make the 4 stops in the US, as it only permits 3 in any region. Is this correct? It wouldn't be too much of a hassle to buy a separate round trip ticket NYC-STT and cut out the St Thomas stop on the route, but I'd prefer not to have to buy that ticket if I don't have to. So a) am I correct in that I can't stop that many times in North America, and b) if I cut out the St. Thomas stop, would the routing then be fine for the award booking?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Feb 14, 2011 | 5:12 am
#498
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Paris, France
Programs: Flying Blue Platinum
Posts: 198
Just hoping for some clarification. I'm about to try to book a mileage round the world ticket with SkyTeam using Korean Air miles.
My summer plans are to travel the following route:
Seoul-Tel Aviv-Berlin-New York-St Thomas-Spokane-Honolulu-Seoul.
If I understand the award rules correctly, I can't make the 4 stops in the US, as it only permits 3 in any region. Is this correct? It wouldn't be too much of a hassle to buy a separate round trip ticket NYC-STT and cut out the St Thomas stop on the route, but I'd prefer not to have to buy that ticket if I don't have to. So a) am I correct in that I can't stop that many times in North America, and b) if I cut out the St. Thomas stop, would the routing then be fine for the award booking?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.
My summer plans are to travel the following route:
Seoul-Tel Aviv-Berlin-New York-St Thomas-Spokane-Honolulu-Seoul.
If I understand the award rules correctly, I can't make the 4 stops in the US, as it only permits 3 in any region. Is this correct? It wouldn't be too much of a hassle to buy a separate round trip ticket NYC-STT and cut out the St Thomas stop on the route, but I'd prefer not to have to buy that ticket if I don't have to. So a) am I correct in that I can't stop that many times in North America, and b) if I cut out the St. Thomas stop, would the routing then be fine for the award booking?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Blackout dates for 2011:
Within Korea: 1-2 Jan, 1-7 Feb, 26 Feb-1 Mar, 5-10 May, 4-6 Jun, 16 Jul-28Aug, 10-14 Sep, 1-3 Oct, 30-31 Dec
International flights (excl. USA/Canada): 1-9 Jan, 1-7 Feb, 16 Jul-15 Aug, 10-14 Sep, 24-31 Dec
USA/Canada flights: 1-9 Jan, 1-7 Feb, 20 May-3 Jul, 16 Jul-15 Aug, 10-14 Sep, 9-31 Dec
2) These rules are for paid tickets, and I don't know if specific rules applied for KE award RTW: better to ask to KE desk.
3)No mention about 3 stopovers in USA
NOT MORE THAN 5 STOPOVERS PERMITED WITHIN
CONTINENTAL USA / CANADA
and
THE FOLLOWING POINTS/AIRPORTS SHALL BE CONSIDERED
AS ONE CITY --
- NYC/JFK/LGA/EWR
- BWI/WAS/IAD/DCA
- FLL/MIA/PBI
- LAX/ONT/SNA/BUR
- SFO/OAK/SJC
4)You are not obliged to fly on KE, perhaps only one flight and I am not sure about that (it could avoid blackout days) but you have to deal with KE for your journey, as it is with their miles
Tell us if it is useful with KE, because with AF in France it is only by fax and it's a shame...
Last edited by leonleonb; Feb 14, 2011 at 5:26 am
Feb 16, 2011 | 10:02 pm
#499
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 16
Ok, scratch the award plan. Turns out the routes in and out of JFK are pretty much gone for the dates that I need. Should have booked earlier. But because some of the destinations are places I've already made plans to be at this summer, I will be buying a round the world ticket instead. As has been noted here, finding good information on the SkyTeam RTW fares is cumbersome and some of you seem to have it at your fingertips.
Could someone tell me the basic( <30k miles, not sure I can make it under 26, but certainly under 29) fares for SkyTeam travelling out of Seoul-Incheon airport(ICN)?
The folks at the KE office were very helpful, woman there was trying all sorts of reroutings to see if she could find available award seats that would get me to NYC, if all in vain. They didn't really know RTW details, were only vaguely aware that SkyTeam had such a ticket for purchase, and couldn't give me any fare information. And the KE legs of the trip went without a hitch, it was the Delta side that was the problem. Doesn't fully answer how useful they were, but they did make every effort to help.
Could someone tell me the basic( <30k miles, not sure I can make it under 26, but certainly under 29) fares for SkyTeam travelling out of Seoul-Incheon airport(ICN)?
The folks at the KE office were very helpful, woman there was trying all sorts of reroutings to see if she could find available award seats that would get me to NYC, if all in vain. They didn't really know RTW details, were only vaguely aware that SkyTeam had such a ticket for purchase, and couldn't give me any fare information. And the KE legs of the trip went without a hitch, it was the Delta side that was the problem. Doesn't fully answer how useful they were, but they did make every effort to help.
Last edited by Deslok; Feb 16, 2011 at 10:06 pm Reason: added comment re: KE office
Feb 17, 2011 | 2:46 am
#500
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Netherlands
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Posts: 29,358
RTW fares from ICN as reported by ExpertFlyer:
Fare basis - Selling airline - Booking class - Fare
YRTWSKY4 KE H 3750000(KRW)
YRTWSKY3 KE H 4450000(KRW)
YRTWSKY2 KE H 5250000(KRW)
YRTWSKY1 KE H 6050000(KRW)
CRTWSKY3 KE O 8450000(KRW)
CRTWSKY2 KE O 9950000(KRW)
CRTWSKY1 KE O 11450000(KRW)
FRTWSKY3 KE F 13450000(KRW)
FRTWSKY2 KE F 15450000(KRW)
FRTWSKY1 KE F 17450000(KRW)
Please note that taxes will have to be added, dependent on the flights you choose.
Fare basis - Selling airline - Booking class - Fare
YRTWSKY4 KE H 3750000(KRW)
YRTWSKY3 KE H 4450000(KRW)
YRTWSKY2 KE H 5250000(KRW)
YRTWSKY1 KE H 6050000(KRW)
CRTWSKY3 KE O 8450000(KRW)
CRTWSKY2 KE O 9950000(KRW)
CRTWSKY1 KE O 11450000(KRW)
FRTWSKY3 KE F 13450000(KRW)
FRTWSKY2 KE F 15450000(KRW)
FRTWSKY1 KE F 17450000(KRW)
Please note that taxes will have to be added, dependent on the flights you choose.
Mar 17, 2011 | 4:01 pm
#501
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Zurich / Europe / New York
Programs: LH, BA, AA
Posts: 1,369
Appreciate your advise ...
Is this legal?
hkg-icn(x)-fra-cdg(x)-jnb-cdg-lax-icn(x)-bom-icn-hkg
This is about 37,500 miles either in KE or AF First Class ... an idea how I can max this to 39000?
Thanks.
hkg-icn(x)-fra-cdg(x)-jnb-cdg-lax-icn(x)-bom-icn-hkg
This is about 37,500 miles either in KE or AF First Class ... an idea how I can max this to 39000?
Thanks.
Mar 31, 2011 | 12:12 pm
#502
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 5
I hope I posted this in the right place.
So I am sure you have heard this question a bunch and sorry for being repetitive. I did try to read around before asking.
I want do a "circle the pacific" but I am not sure what would be the cheapest, most cost efficient manner since I want to visit a multitude of countries. Idealistically I would like something that would allow to have flexible dates. Basic tentative itinerary.
LAX > Toyko
Toyko > Osaka (Via rail)
Osaka > Seoul
Seoul > Shanghai
Shanghai > Hong Kong
Hong Kong > Manila (PH)
Manila (PH)> Ho Chi Minh City
Ho Chi Minh City > Bangkok
Bangkok > Singapore
Singapore > Bali
Bali > Cairns (AZ)
Cairns (AZ) > Bisbane *(Via bus)
Bisbane > Sydney *(Via bus)
Sydney > Melbourne *(Via bus)
Melbourne > Auckland
Auckland to LAX
Is it crazy to expect something like this to cost around $4k-$5k?
What should I be looking at spending?
I do not have to fly everywhere and would actually prefer talking rail/bus if I could. Where is a good place to start?
My only goal is be in New Zealand by mid-October for the World Cup of Rugby.
Thanks!
I want do a "circle the pacific" but I am not sure what would be the cheapest, most cost efficient manner since I want to visit a multitude of countries. Idealistically I would like something that would allow to have flexible dates. Basic tentative itinerary.
LAX > Toyko
Toyko > Osaka (Via rail)
Osaka > Seoul
Seoul > Shanghai
Shanghai > Hong Kong
Hong Kong > Manila (PH)
Manila (PH)> Ho Chi Minh City
Ho Chi Minh City > Bangkok
Bangkok > Singapore
Singapore > Bali
Bali > Cairns (AZ)
Cairns (AZ) > Bisbane *(Via bus)
Bisbane > Sydney *(Via bus)
Sydney > Melbourne *(Via bus)
Melbourne > Auckland
Auckland to LAX
Is it crazy to expect something like this to cost around $4k-$5k?
What should I be looking at spending?
I do not have to fly everywhere and would actually prefer talking rail/bus if I could. Where is a good place to start?
My only goal is be in New Zealand by mid-October for the World Cup of Rugby.
Thanks!
Mar 31, 2011 | 1:16 pm
#503
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Louisville, KY, USA
Posts: 2,583
Mar 31, 2011 | 9:02 pm
#504
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SYD
Programs: |QF Platinum|DL Platinum|HH Gold|ALL Silver|
Posts: 1,754
So I am sure you have heard this question a bunch and sorry for being repetitive. I did try to read around before asking.
I want do a "circle the pacific" but I am not sure what would be the cheapest, most cost efficient manner since I want to visit a multitude of countries. Idealistically I would like something that would allow to have flexible dates. Basic tentative itinerary.
LAX > Toyko
Toyko > Osaka (Via rail)
Osaka > Seoul
Seoul > Shanghai
Shanghai > Hong Kong
Hong Kong > Manila (PH)
Manila (PH)> Ho Chi Minh City
Ho Chi Minh City > Bangkok
Bangkok > Singapore
Singapore > Bali
Bali > Cairns (AZ)
Cairns (AZ) > Bisbane *(Via bus)
Bisbane > Sydney *(Via bus)
Sydney > Melbourne *(Via bus)
Melbourne > Auckland
Auckland to LAX
Is it crazy to expect something like this to cost around $4k-$5k?
What should I be looking at spending?
I do not have to fly everywhere and would actually prefer talking rail/bus if I could. Where is a good place to start?
My only goal is be in New Zealand by mid-October for the World Cup of Rugby.
Thanks!
I want do a "circle the pacific" but I am not sure what would be the cheapest, most cost efficient manner since I want to visit a multitude of countries. Idealistically I would like something that would allow to have flexible dates. Basic tentative itinerary.
LAX > Toyko
Toyko > Osaka (Via rail)
Osaka > Seoul
Seoul > Shanghai
Shanghai > Hong Kong
Hong Kong > Manila (PH)
Manila (PH)> Ho Chi Minh City
Ho Chi Minh City > Bangkok
Bangkok > Singapore
Singapore > Bali
Bali > Cairns (AZ)
Cairns (AZ) > Bisbane *(Via bus)
Bisbane > Sydney *(Via bus)
Sydney > Melbourne *(Via bus)
Melbourne > Auckland
Auckland to LAX
Is it crazy to expect something like this to cost around $4k-$5k?
What should I be looking at spending?
I do not have to fly everywhere and would actually prefer talking rail/bus if I could. Where is a good place to start?
My only goal is be in New Zealand by mid-October for the World Cup of Rugby.
Thanks!
1. Buy LAX-NRT return on DL
2. In conjunction with that ticket, buy a SkyTeam Asia Pass (http://www.skyteam.com/about/products/asia.html) with three coupons which you would use for Osaka-Seoul on Korean Air, Seoul-Shanghai on Korean, and then Singapore-Tokyo on DL (work with me here, although you'd have to check that is permitted under the Pass rules).
3. The rest of your flights are suited to the LCCs which fly around the region:
- Shanghai - Hong Kong - Hong Kong Airlines
- Hong Kong - Manila - Hong Kong Airlines or Cebu Pacific
- Manila - Ho Chi Minh - Cebu Pacific
- Ho Chi Minh - Bangkok - Air Asia
- Bangkok - Singapore - Air Asia, Jetstar or Tiger Airways
- Singapore - Denpasar - Air Asia, Jetstar or Tiger Airways
- Denpasar - Cairns - Jetstar
- Melbourne - Auckland - Jetstar
- Auckland - Singapore - Jetstar (and from here you'd pick up your last coupon on the Asia Pass to get you back to Tokyo for the return leg to LAX).
I don't know what the total cost would be, but most of the intra-Asia legs on the LCCs you can pick up for as little as USD $50 if you're booking now for travel much later in the year. You can probably get the total cost of your trip below $4,000.
Apr 5, 2011 | 11:37 am
#505
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 5
Wow this is just wonderful!
Thank you so much, Do you know if the dates for the air pass or flexible? or would I be stuck with fixed dates.
Thank you so much, Do you know if the dates for the air pass or flexible? or would I be stuck with fixed dates.
One option would be to:
1. Buy LAX-NRT return on DL
2. In conjunction with that ticket, buy a SkyTeam Asia Pass (http://www.skyteam.com/about/products/asia.html) with three coupons which you would use for Osaka-Seoul on Korean Air, Seoul-Shanghai on Korean, and then Singapore-Tokyo on DL (work with me here, although you'd have to check that is permitted under the Pass rules).
3. The rest of your flights are suited to the LCCs which fly around the region:
- Shanghai - Hong Kong - Hong Kong Airlines
- Hong Kong - Manila - Hong Kong Airlines or Cebu Pacific
- Manila - Ho Chi Minh - Cebu Pacific
- Ho Chi Minh - Bangkok - Air Asia
- Bangkok - Singapore - Air Asia, Jetstar or Tiger Airways
- Singapore - Denpasar - Air Asia, Jetstar or Tiger Airways
- Denpasar - Cairns - Jetstar
- Melbourne - Auckland - Jetstar
- Auckland - Singapore - Jetstar (and from here you'd pick up your last coupon on the Asia Pass to get you back to Tokyo for the return leg to LAX).
I don't know what the total cost would be, but most of the intra-Asia legs on the LCCs you can pick up for as little as USD $50 if you're booking now for travel much later in the year. You can probably get the total cost of your trip below $4,000.
1. Buy LAX-NRT return on DL
2. In conjunction with that ticket, buy a SkyTeam Asia Pass (http://www.skyteam.com/about/products/asia.html) with three coupons which you would use for Osaka-Seoul on Korean Air, Seoul-Shanghai on Korean, and then Singapore-Tokyo on DL (work with me here, although you'd have to check that is permitted under the Pass rules).
3. The rest of your flights are suited to the LCCs which fly around the region:
- Shanghai - Hong Kong - Hong Kong Airlines
- Hong Kong - Manila - Hong Kong Airlines or Cebu Pacific
- Manila - Ho Chi Minh - Cebu Pacific
- Ho Chi Minh - Bangkok - Air Asia
- Bangkok - Singapore - Air Asia, Jetstar or Tiger Airways
- Singapore - Denpasar - Air Asia, Jetstar or Tiger Airways
- Denpasar - Cairns - Jetstar
- Melbourne - Auckland - Jetstar
- Auckland - Singapore - Jetstar (and from here you'd pick up your last coupon on the Asia Pass to get you back to Tokyo for the return leg to LAX).
I don't know what the total cost would be, but most of the intra-Asia legs on the LCCs you can pick up for as little as USD $50 if you're booking now for travel much later in the year. You can probably get the total cost of your trip below $4,000.
Apr 5, 2011 | 11:39 am
#506
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 5
Apr 5, 2011 | 12:08 pm
#507
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 5
This is wonderful and very helpful!
Do you think since the LLC's (Which i still don't know what that means, I am guessing it means company) are cheaper to fly on, it would be a better utilization to use those for the shorter flights and use the asia pass for the longer flights?
Also, what does DL mean?
And do you know if the LCC tickets have flexible dates?
/edit: I Don't really need truly flexible dates, but I don't know how long I will be staying where and I am worried about being constrained and if I shift one flight, it will change all the other ones as well.
I just found a ticket from LAX - NRT for $715 USD
and one from AUK - LAX for $850 USD for the dates I wanted, so I think I am just going to buy them and just wing the stuff in the middle. Buy the asia pass and use it when I need to.
Do you think since the LLC's (Which i still don't know what that means, I am guessing it means company) are cheaper to fly on, it would be a better utilization to use those for the shorter flights and use the asia pass for the longer flights?
Also, what does DL mean?
And do you know if the LCC tickets have flexible dates?
/edit: I Don't really need truly flexible dates, but I don't know how long I will be staying where and I am worried about being constrained and if I shift one flight, it will change all the other ones as well.
I just found a ticket from LAX - NRT for $715 USD
and one from AUK - LAX for $850 USD for the dates I wanted, so I think I am just going to buy them and just wing the stuff in the middle. Buy the asia pass and use it when I need to.
One option would be to:
1. Buy LAX-NRT return on DL
2. In conjunction with that ticket, buy a SkyTeam Asia Pass (http://www.skyteam.com/about/products/asia.html) with three coupons which you would use for Osaka-Seoul on Korean Air, Seoul-Shanghai on Korean, and then Singapore-Tokyo on DL (work with me here, although you'd have to check that is permitted under the Pass rules).
3. The rest of your flights are suited to the LCCs which fly around the region:
- Shanghai - Hong Kong - Hong Kong Airlines
- Hong Kong - Manila - Hong Kong Airlines or Cebu Pacific
- Manila - Ho Chi Minh - Cebu Pacific
- Ho Chi Minh - Bangkok - Air Asia
- Bangkok - Singapore - Air Asia, Jetstar or Tiger Airways
- Singapore - Denpasar - Air Asia, Jetstar or Tiger Airways
- Denpasar - Cairns - Jetstar
- Melbourne - Auckland - Jetstar
- Auckland - Singapore - Jetstar (and from here you'd pick up your last coupon on the Asia Pass to get you back to Tokyo for the return leg to LAX).
I don't know what the total cost would be, but most of the intra-Asia legs on the LCCs you can pick up for as little as USD $50 if you're booking now for travel much later in the year. You can probably get the total cost of your trip below $4,000.
1. Buy LAX-NRT return on DL
2. In conjunction with that ticket, buy a SkyTeam Asia Pass (http://www.skyteam.com/about/products/asia.html) with three coupons which you would use for Osaka-Seoul on Korean Air, Seoul-Shanghai on Korean, and then Singapore-Tokyo on DL (work with me here, although you'd have to check that is permitted under the Pass rules).
3. The rest of your flights are suited to the LCCs which fly around the region:
- Shanghai - Hong Kong - Hong Kong Airlines
- Hong Kong - Manila - Hong Kong Airlines or Cebu Pacific
- Manila - Ho Chi Minh - Cebu Pacific
- Ho Chi Minh - Bangkok - Air Asia
- Bangkok - Singapore - Air Asia, Jetstar or Tiger Airways
- Singapore - Denpasar - Air Asia, Jetstar or Tiger Airways
- Denpasar - Cairns - Jetstar
- Melbourne - Auckland - Jetstar
- Auckland - Singapore - Jetstar (and from here you'd pick up your last coupon on the Asia Pass to get you back to Tokyo for the return leg to LAX).
I don't know what the total cost would be, but most of the intra-Asia legs on the LCCs you can pick up for as little as USD $50 if you're booking now for travel much later in the year. You can probably get the total cost of your trip below $4,000.
Last edited by ASU Anthony; Apr 5, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Apr 5, 2011 | 8:50 pm
#509
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SYD
Programs: |QF Platinum|DL Platinum|HH Gold|ALL Silver|
Posts: 1,754
This is wonderful and very helpful!
Do you think since the LLC's (Which i still don't know what that means, I am guessing it means company) are cheaper to fly on, it would be a better utilization to use those for the shorter flights and use the asia pass for the longer flights?
Also, what does DL mean?
And do you know if the LCC tickets have flexible dates?
/edit: I Don't really need truly flexible dates, but I don't know how long I will be staying where and I am worried about being constrained and if I shift one flight, it will change all the other ones as well.
I just found a ticket from LAX - NRT for $715 USD
and one from AUK - LAX for $850 USD for the dates I wanted, so I think I am just going to buy them and just wing the stuff in the middle. Buy the asia pass and use it when I need to.
Do you think since the LLC's (Which i still don't know what that means, I am guessing it means company) are cheaper to fly on, it would be a better utilization to use those for the shorter flights and use the asia pass for the longer flights?
Also, what does DL mean?
And do you know if the LCC tickets have flexible dates?
/edit: I Don't really need truly flexible dates, but I don't know how long I will be staying where and I am worried about being constrained and if I shift one flight, it will change all the other ones as well.
I just found a ticket from LAX - NRT for $715 USD
and one from AUK - LAX for $850 USD for the dates I wanted, so I think I am just going to buy them and just wing the stuff in the middle. Buy the asia pass and use it when I need to.
LCC = Low Cost Carrier
DL = IATA airline code for Delta Air Lines
The Asia Pass only works if you buy a round-trip ticket. Given your return is presumably on Qantas or Air New Zealand I don't think you're eligible to buy that Pass.
You can find flexible fares on the LCCs, but you'll pay more to do so. For example, Jetstar for travel this Friday from Singapore to Bali, their cheapest fare (non-changeable, only carry on luggage) is SGD $121, the fully flexible fare with checked luggage is SGD $271.
You have a while before you travel and you should probably look around the various airlines' sites to see what they offer. Many of the sectors you want to travel may have cheap fares days before travel, particularly if they have flights at times which are not peak business travel (e.g. late at night, very early in the morning). If you're prepared to be flexible and keep checking the airline sites while you're travelling to see when good fares come up, that might be better than locking yourself into dates now.
Don't also rule out looking at travel consolidator sites (like www.kayak.com or www.zuji.com.sg), often you can find good last minute fares on legacy airlines. For example, KLM and Qatar Airways both fly Singapore - Denpasar, as add-ons to their respective Amsterdam - Singapore and Doha - Singapore flights, and you may be able to find good fares on them. I'm seeing SGD $308 for the Qatar flight tomorrow on Zuji.
Apr 8, 2011 | 6:37 am
#510
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Netherlands
Programs: KL Platinum; A3 Gold
Posts: 29,358
I travelled by bus along a good deal of your proposed route in Australia. You can buy bus passes (either on standard services, like Greyhound, or on services geared more towards backpackers, such as Oz Experience) that let you take your time travelling the route (you usually just have to ring up the day before you want to travel onwards to let them know which service you intend to re-join). It's about 12 hours (or more in a bus) from Brisbane to Sydney, and the same again from Sydney to Melbourne; Cairns to Brisbane is much longer and would take about a day of non-stop driving.