29 April 2013 - Bagram Airfield Crash
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29 April 2013 - Bagram Airfield Crash
This is gaining news as a 744 National Air Cargo crashed but was caught on video (car dashboard camera). Unfortunately, 7 American crew members died during the crash. WARNING: Video can be disturbing to others.
I'm the type of person that is curious at the cause of air crashes (probably the engineer in me) so I wonder what happened in this case. The article suggests a stall happened with deadly consequences.
Weather may have played role in horrifying Bagram Airfield Crash
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...irfield-crash/
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=vo51Be2jL8c#!
Edit: Looks like we have names as the Associated Press confirmed those killed included pilots Brad Hasler of Trenton, Mich. and Jeremy Lipka of Brooklyn, Mich.; first officers Jamie Brokaw of Monroe, Mich. and Rinku Summan of Canton, Mich.; loadmaster Michael Sheets of Ypsilanti, Mich.; and maintenance crewman Timothy Garrett of Louisville, Ky.
RIP
I'm the type of person that is curious at the cause of air crashes (probably the engineer in me) so I wonder what happened in this case. The article suggests a stall happened with deadly consequences.
Weather may have played role in horrifying Bagram Airfield Crash
A 747 U.S. cargo plane crashed on its ascent from Bagram, Afghanistan Monday, killing all 7 American crew members aboard. The exact cause of the crash is not known, but thunderstorms were in the area.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=vo51Be2jL8c#!
Edit: Looks like we have names as the Associated Press confirmed those killed included pilots Brad Hasler of Trenton, Mich. and Jeremy Lipka of Brooklyn, Mich.; first officers Jamie Brokaw of Monroe, Mich. and Rinku Summan of Canton, Mich.; loadmaster Michael Sheets of Ypsilanti, Mich.; and maintenance crewman Timothy Garrett of Louisville, Ky.
RIP
Last edited by edcho; May 1, 2013 at 8:18 pm
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Yea, that looked like an awfully steep climb at the beginning. Who knows if a shifted load was responsible. I wonder how close to the outside of the envelope the special climb out of Bagram normally is - there may not be much margin for error.
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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...quence-385338/
This article proposes likely cargo shift as well. What I find surprising is the lack of reaction by he driver except for one whispered word.
The whole thing is pretty awful. The crew would have known what was coming for a long time.
This article proposes likely cargo shift as well. What I find surprising is the lack of reaction by he driver except for one whispered word.
The whole thing is pretty awful. The crew would have known what was coming for a long time.
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What impressed me was the smart decision by the airline to hire the oldest most experienced pilots like I was talking to (the Captain Sulleys of the world) to hand fly these planes like they never get flown on the daily LHR-JFK run. A kid right out of flight school who only knows how to program the autopilot can't do it. They needed the last of the old school stick and rudder pilots.
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That's why pilots do weight and balance calculations. This plane is an example of what happens when the balance is badly wrong.
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I ride a tiny Embraer Brasilia every time I fly to get from my city to a hub and they are always moving things around for balance... I probably should not have watched this clip. Even though I know the "safety" rating or record of my Embraer is great, any time I see them moving luggage or passengers for balance I'm going to cringe a little.
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You have it totally backwards. If you see stuff being moved for balance, it means you have a careful concerned pilot who knows what the heck he/she is doing and who has actually checked the CG and refuses to take off until the CG is correct. Congratulations, you are on a safe plane. ^
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