Earnings on LH 'K' class, UA code-share in Mileage Plus
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Earnings on LH 'K' class, UA code-share in Mileage Plus
I have an international flight booked on a LH flight, UA code-share in K class. It appears this earns no miles in Mileage Plus.
Ticket booked through UA web site.
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,,1189,00.html
No Mileage Credit X I O E K 0% 0%
Am I correct?
Ticket booked through UA web site.
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,,1189,00.html
No Mileage Credit X I O E K 0% 0%
Am I correct?
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I think they must've just changed that, because Continental is showing 0 credit for K-class as well (and it was JUST 100% - I know because I have a K-class flight coming up myself). See Google Cache from Jan 5: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us
I know it says very clearly that they can change this stuff whenever they want - but this is really frustrating! Does anyone have experience with getting credit for flights in this type of circumstance (i.e. when you booked the ticket, the fare class was valid but by the time you took the flight it wasn't anymore)?
I know it says very clearly that they can change this stuff whenever they want - but this is really frustrating! Does anyone have experience with getting credit for flights in this type of circumstance (i.e. when you booked the ticket, the fare class was valid but by the time you took the flight it wasn't anymore)?
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Went Turkish to ORD-IST on a $505 ai rt over Thanksgiving. At time of booking the fare class (think it was G) earned eqm's on UA. Then UA changed the rules. After flight, miles didn't post. Called 1K line and got EQM miles to post. Did not get the 100 % rdm bonus.
Altho the EQM miles posted, have since been reluctant to book non UA metal. Turkish airways was a nice airline, superior in economy to E+ on UA, better food, free pretty good wine, but don't like UA changing the rules after you book a non-refund. ticket.
I probably will book code shares sometime, but would take screen shots of earning class of a given fare code and avoid doing this near the end of the year.
Altho the EQM miles posted, have since been reluctant to book non UA metal. Turkish airways was a nice airline, superior in economy to E+ on UA, better food, free pretty good wine, but don't like UA changing the rules after you book a non-refund. ticket.
I probably will book code shares sometime, but would take screen shots of earning class of a given fare code and avoid doing this near the end of the year.
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What is the actual booking class on the LH side of things? The UA class doesn't matter if it is LH-operated. And just because it is a UA K class doesn't mean it will map to that same bucket on LH, though it may.
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I just checked a bunch of my frequent flier earning calculator data. The United site showing 0 credit on K fares isn't completely new but there are a few other programs where it is a new development. From what I can tell Lufty actually made the change on July 1, 2011. It has taken many of the programs some time to catch up, but at this point they apparently all have. Of the 11 programs I'm actively tracking (ET, UA, US, A3, AC, TP, LH, BD, CO, TK, OZ) only LH/M&M offers up any credit at all for K fares any more.
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I just checked a bunch of my frequent flier earning calculator data. The United site showing 0 credit on K fares isn't completely new but there are a few other programs where it is a new development. From what I can tell Lufty actually made the change on July 1, 2011. It has taken many of the programs some time to catch up, but at this point they apparently all have. Of the 11 programs I'm actively tracking (ET, UA, US, A3, AC, TP, LH, BD, CO, TK, OZ) only LH/M&M offers up any credit at all for K fares any more.
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This is not exactly new. There have been a few other posts in the past few months, most over in the Old MP thread. (I find this segregation very silly and impracticable for keeping track of such matters.) These deal with the mileage accumulation change as well as the eligible upgrading fare situation which also involved the K-fare.
I have a K-fare LH flight later today, booked back in July when this was a 100% mileage earning fare, as well as one that was upgradeable with SWU certs. The mileage accumulation changed in MP back in September, but as noted, the OP accumulation has only just changed in the past couple of days. I will be trying to use the upgrades, but that apparently changed a month or so ago, and even though my certs do not include K as an ineligible fare, I expect to be rejected this afternoon at ORD...and on my other segments and return next week.
Needless to say this change mid-year is most upsetting and I have a letter to MP and the President drafted to be sent with my worthless SWU certs! This is actually LH's doing, having moved K from the mid-tier of economy fares in July to the lowest of the low. Curiously though, M&M will still give you 50% mileage for a K fare transAt, but just 125 SMs on intra-European flights. As a back-up, and not to waste these flights, I just opened an M&M account from which I can at least try to turn these LH flights (and a couple more I have booked before the change) into at least a short haul European or NAmerican ticket!
To me, this "without notice" clause of our FF programs is reprehensible and should be challenged in a class action court case. One sided contracts have been ruled unacceptable by many courts of late, and this one is a huge abuse of one-side power.
Beyond that, once my flights are completed, I am basically boycotting LH which is the real responsible party. UA and the others are "just following orders"...
I have a K-fare LH flight later today, booked back in July when this was a 100% mileage earning fare, as well as one that was upgradeable with SWU certs. The mileage accumulation changed in MP back in September, but as noted, the OP accumulation has only just changed in the past couple of days. I will be trying to use the upgrades, but that apparently changed a month or so ago, and even though my certs do not include K as an ineligible fare, I expect to be rejected this afternoon at ORD...and on my other segments and return next week.
Needless to say this change mid-year is most upsetting and I have a letter to MP and the President drafted to be sent with my worthless SWU certs! This is actually LH's doing, having moved K from the mid-tier of economy fares in July to the lowest of the low. Curiously though, M&M will still give you 50% mileage for a K fare transAt, but just 125 SMs on intra-European flights. As a back-up, and not to waste these flights, I just opened an M&M account from which I can at least try to turn these LH flights (and a couple more I have booked before the change) into at least a short haul European or NAmerican ticket!
To me, this "without notice" clause of our FF programs is reprehensible and should be challenged in a class action court case. One sided contracts have been ruled unacceptable by many courts of late, and this one is a huge abuse of one-side power.
Beyond that, once my flights are completed, I am basically boycotting LH which is the real responsible party. UA and the others are "just following orders"...
Last edited by Shareholder; Jan 11, 2012 at 7:15 am
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LH has been on the warpath on gutting their already pathetic program. Only a matter of time until those changes filtered down to their partners. I try to avoid flying them when possible (close to impossible for inter-EU hops sadly), but TATL, I'll book US before I book LH willingly.
Until the A380, longhaul LH in economy really sucked*
* - (I never flew Y on the A340 TATL, so that might not be that bad, but LH 747's are yuck).
Until the A380, longhaul LH in economy really sucked*
* - (I never flew Y on the A340 TATL, so that might not be that bad, but LH 747's are yuck).
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Unlike UA where normal people can be elite - and thus there is a sense of loyalty extended to leisure flyers, LH figures, that only corporate types flying on someone else's dime deserve to be elites, and could care less about the people who pay out of their own pocket/buy cheapest fare.
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I've got FRA-IST and IST-FRA coming up this month. United shows it as K, and LH shows it as K. Of course, it was booked back when K was worth something.
It seems like there isn't much of a strategy about where to credit this anymore. I, too, shall write a letter to UA complaining about the situation.
Is there anything else that should be done in the interim?
It seems like there isn't much of a strategy about where to credit this anymore. I, too, shall write a letter to UA complaining about the situation.
Is there anything else that should be done in the interim?
#13
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There is no LH 'K" class mentioned for CO onepass accrual. However a discount economy on W and S classes (on LH) earn 100% EQM and miles on MP but only 50% on OP.
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On CO.com they specifically state all fare classes not listed do not accrue any miles.
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Gets better, they get only 2 SWUs (called eVouchers) every two years on SEN requal. It takes two to upgrade longhaul (although they can upgrade with miles without copay on YBMH fares on UA it seems though that might be out of date)