FA's ignoring/clearing the call buttons
#16
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Ewa Beach, Hawaii
Posts: 10,953
I've always assumed the buttons were carry overs from the earlier decades (70s/80s/90s of flying just like the no smoking lights. In my nearly 2MM miles on UA I don't recall ever using it. If you need something, why not just get up an go get it?
I understand the disabled pax thing and don't know the right solution (perhaps next time be sure to get seated near one of the galleys?
I understand the disabled pax thing and don't know the right solution (perhaps next time be sure to get seated near one of the galleys?
#18
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Miami, FL
Programs: UA 1MM, AA Plat, Marriott LT Titanium, Hyatt Glob, IHG ♢ Amb, Hilton ♢, Hertz Pres
Posts: 6,058
I have hit the call button in business class and it stayed on for over 30 minutes. Even in business no one cares- they just let it stay on. Call button, please.
#19
Suspended
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Dog House
Programs: UA 1K 2MM, AA EXP, WN A-List, Marriott Lifetime Platinum
Posts: 1,245
I've always assumed the buttons were carry overs from the earlier decades (70s/80s/90s of flying just like the no smoking lights. In my nearly 2MM miles on UA I don't recall ever using it. If you need something, why not just get up an go get it?
I understand the disabled pax thing and don't know the right solution (perhaps next time be sure to get seated near one of the galleys?
I understand the disabled pax thing and don't know the right solution (perhaps next time be sure to get seated near one of the galleys?
I'm only about 25% joking here.
#20
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: LAX
Programs: UA-1K, Hertz-Gold, Marriott-Gold, PC-Platinum, SPG
Posts: 2,777
#21
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: LAX
Programs: UA-1K, Hertz-Gold, Marriott-Gold, PC-Platinum, SPG
Posts: 2,777
[conforming Moderator edit to now-deleted post.]
The FA for Asian airline is service-oriented and always asks what is needed before he/she resets the button. YMMV.
The FA for Asian airline is service-oriented and always asks what is needed before he/she resets the button. YMMV.
Last edited by Ocn Vw 1K; Nov 19, 2013 at 4:21 am Reason: See note above.
#22
Suspended
Join Date: Mar 2012
Programs: US CP ; LH FTL ; *G
Posts: 1,630
You are preaching to the choir. On OZ, FAs ladies actually kneel before older Korean men so as to make the pax look down, rather than up ( this is in J, don't know how things are in Y ). Try telling white FAs on UA or LH that they have to kneel before you. Heh heh.
#23
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: ORD, HKG
Programs: UA*G, AA Emerald, HHonors Diamond, Hyatt globalist
Posts: 10,356
This is not a practice just for asians or Korea women in general. It is a kind of higher level of customer service, look at your customer at the same eye level. There are waiters in restaurants in the US practice the same, and the waiter is caucasion.
#24
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Houston, TX, USA
Programs: UA Platinum, AA Lifetime Platinum, DL Platinum, Honors Diamond, Bonvoy Ambassador, Hertz Platinum
Posts: 8,079
The OZ flight attendants will actually kneel, with the bottoms of their feet off the floor and their weight supported by their knees on the floor. And they do this not just for older Korean men.
Getting back on topic, those OZ ladies also know how to respond to the call button. On a First Class OZ flight once, me and my traveling companion were enjoying ourselves with the free drinks and all, and decided to use the call button to re-order. I'd never normally do this, but they were making such a point at being service oriented, it didn't seem out of place. The response time was nothing short of amazing. I got my stopwatch out at one point, and measured an average response time of 3 seconds, and a maximum of 4 seconds, and this was on a TPAC flight, including during the "dull" hours where everything is quiet and the FAs are mostly resting.
#25
Original Poster
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 38,529
I've always assumed the buttons were carry overs from the earlier decades (70s/80s/90s of flying just like the no smoking lights. In my nearly 2MM miles on UA I don't recall ever using it. If you need something, why not just get up an go get it?
I understand the disabled pax thing and don't know the right solution (perhaps next time be sure to get seated near one of the galleys?
I understand the disabled pax thing and don't know the right solution (perhaps next time be sure to get seated near one of the galleys?
Last edited by iluv2fly; Nov 18, 2013 at 4:35 pm Reason: merge
#26
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: DEN
Posts: 1,962
Most FAs don't know where it lives or how to use it, either. I don't think I've ever used it without the whole thing turning into a training exercise.
#27
Original Poster
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 38,529
They weren't all that skilled but that wasn't a problem. It's just a two-person job. The airport people that handled things on the ground did a better job.
#28
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 83
The one time I had to use an aisle chair to get off the plane (pmUA 737), the chair came from the terminal, and ground staff was responsible for getting me on the chair, off the plane, and on to a regular wheelchair. I'm not sure if things might have been handled differently if I had needed the aisle chair when I was boarding though.
#29
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: body: A stone's throw from SFO, mind: SE Asia
Programs: Some of this 'n some of that
Posts: 17,263
Moving past airplanes in particular, when a young(er) person is walking past older seated people they'll generally bend slightly at the waist to lower their physical stature. Similarly it's down as a status/service respect.
In Asia it's a form of respect.
Last edited by dsquared37; Nov 19, 2013 at 12:46 am
#30
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Up North
Programs: Skymiles, MPL Chase Premier
Posts: 782
Okay, moving forward, if anyone has any disability-related/ada/acaa issues on a flight or in an airport, you have the right to demand a CRO. They *have* to make one available to you. In person most of the time, or by phone. They cannot deny you that. They will take a report for you, and it starts a chain of paperwork to everyone involved, including the DOT.
I would make a DOT complaint also. Keep it straight and to the facts. I'm not sure how deep the audit trail goes on an airplane (paging aluminumdriver or FAB) but they may be able to see the dings and the resets. If you encounter it in flight and there's no good reason for the 'reset'.... film it. There's absolutely no reason for being that lazy, especially when you have a pax that requires special assistance.
I would make a DOT complaint also. Keep it straight and to the facts. I'm not sure how deep the audit trail goes on an airplane (paging aluminumdriver or FAB) but they may be able to see the dings and the resets. If you encounter it in flight and there's no good reason for the 'reset'.... film it. There's absolutely no reason for being that lazy, especially when you have a pax that requires special assistance.