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Earning Status (PQP) on non-016 Tickets and Partner Metal {Archive}
#811
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: DUS/CGN
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 27
I created a updated version of the PQP calculator to handle the upcoming per segment PQP earning limits. It also calculates RDM:
https://pqp.economiles.com/
https://pqp.economiles.com/
It looks way cleaner
#812
Join Date: Aug 2016
Programs: AA Platinum Pro, IHG Diamond Ambassador, Hilton Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 10
I'm looking to book a flight to KBP from EWR that has two layovers. I'm wondering how much PQP would be credited for each segment to my UA account?
Segment 1
- EWR to YUL
- Ticket issued by AC
- Operated by AC
- Class P
Segment 2
- YUL to MUC
- Ticket issued by AC
- Operated by LH
- Class P
Segment 3
- MUC to KBP
- Ticket issued by AC
- Operated by LH
- Class P
Thank you!
Segment 1
- EWR to YUL
- Ticket issued by AC
- Operated by AC
- Class P
Segment 2
- YUL to MUC
- Ticket issued by AC
- Operated by LH
- Class P
Segment 3
- MUC to KBP
- Ticket issued by AC
- Operated by LH
- Class P
Thank you!
#813
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA LT Plat 2MM, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott LT Gold, Hilton Silver, IHG Plat
Posts: 68,329
For the gory details follow the steps in the wiki
Remember just the flight operator matters, and the flight operator's fare class -- marketing carrier and marketing carrier fare class does not matter.
#814
Join Date: Aug 2016
Programs: AA Platinum Pro, IHG Diamond Ambassador, Hilton Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 10
The easiest approach is to use this FTer (kevflyer) member's webcalculator (assuming not on 016 UA ticket stock)
For the gory details follow the steps in the wiki
Remember just the flight operator matters, and the flight operator's fare class -- marketing carrier and marketing carrier fare class does not matter.
For the gory details follow the steps in the wiki
Remember just the flight operator matters, and the flight operator's fare class -- marketing carrier and marketing carrier fare class does not matter.
#815
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 22,457
Thanks for the advice! It's not on 016 UA stock, it should be AC's 015 stock. The LH-operated segment on LH metal look like it's marketed on an AC codeshare (i.e. AC 9207). Even in this case, I should use the LH partner earnings chart, right? I use kevflyer's calculator, it's very useful, but I'm guessing should I should select LH for the segment, and not AC?
#816
Join Date: Aug 2016
Programs: AA Platinum Pro, IHG Diamond Ambassador, Hilton Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 10
#817
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: JNB, SFO
Programs: UA, DL
Posts: 94
Does anyone have experience with with successful 'higher' PQP earnings on MP for partner ticketed & operated flights in July or August 2020? I have a couple of flights for Q4/Q1 '21 booked prior to 29 April which were booked on & operated by partners and seem likely to fly though I may have covid waiver options. With the generally exceptionally challenging experiences I've had with UA and it's partners this year so far, I'm looking for data to make the best decision possible. Thanks in advance.
#818
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 51
MileagePlus PQP and PQF booked through Lufthansa. Am i right?
Hi -
Fairly frequent flyer here, but shooting for United 1K this year with the reduced requirements. I'm gold now, almost Platinum.
I need to fly from U.S. to Athens in a few weeks. Rather than buying the ticket through United, i'm trying to fly on their premier partner airlines as much as possible so i can get the PQP of miles divided by 5, rather than the fare cost if i book through United.
Houston to Newark (United flight)
Newark to Frankfurt, Germany (Lufthansa flight)
Frankfurt to Athens, Greece (Lufthansa flight)
then coming back:
Athens, Greece to Frankfurt, Germany (Lufthansa Flight)
Frankfurt to Chicago (Lufthansa Flight)
Chicago to Houston (United flight)
Total ticket cost was well under $1000, and I was happy, as I'd land two tickets at the max 750 PQP, and a few 200ish PQPs. Plus the 2 United flights which would be who knows how many PQPs
However, I found out Lufthansa's LIGHT BASIC transfers to "BASIC ECONOMY" on United, so i wouldn't have got any PQPs...
I called United premier support and they said because it's a partner, they can tell that it's a 'basic economy' equivalent ticket. Didn't know that they had that visibility, but oh well. Cancelled the ticket (within the 24 hour cancellation period), but need to rebook.
My understanding (at this point) is if i book "Economy Basic" with Lufthansa (as opposed to Economy Light), that i will get the mileage divided by 5, for each flight on a preferred United partner (Lufthansa), and some amount based on United's portion of the fare, if the entire itinerary is booked through Lufthansa (or another company, as long as not United.com)
Basically these 6 flights i'm expecting to come back with 6 PQFs, and 2400ish PQPs (750 max on the two international legs, and the other 4 will be 200ish each)
Am i on the right track?
P.S. - I'm not concerned about earning miles. I don't care if i earn 1 mile this entire trip, I'm super concerned about earning the appropriate PQP and PQFs
Fairly frequent flyer here, but shooting for United 1K this year with the reduced requirements. I'm gold now, almost Platinum.
I need to fly from U.S. to Athens in a few weeks. Rather than buying the ticket through United, i'm trying to fly on their premier partner airlines as much as possible so i can get the PQP of miles divided by 5, rather than the fare cost if i book through United.
Houston to Newark (United flight)
Newark to Frankfurt, Germany (Lufthansa flight)
Frankfurt to Athens, Greece (Lufthansa flight)
then coming back:
Athens, Greece to Frankfurt, Germany (Lufthansa Flight)
Frankfurt to Chicago (Lufthansa Flight)
Chicago to Houston (United flight)
Total ticket cost was well under $1000, and I was happy, as I'd land two tickets at the max 750 PQP, and a few 200ish PQPs. Plus the 2 United flights which would be who knows how many PQPs
However, I found out Lufthansa's LIGHT BASIC transfers to "BASIC ECONOMY" on United, so i wouldn't have got any PQPs...
I called United premier support and they said because it's a partner, they can tell that it's a 'basic economy' equivalent ticket. Didn't know that they had that visibility, but oh well. Cancelled the ticket (within the 24 hour cancellation period), but need to rebook.
My understanding (at this point) is if i book "Economy Basic" with Lufthansa (as opposed to Economy Light), that i will get the mileage divided by 5, for each flight on a preferred United partner (Lufthansa), and some amount based on United's portion of the fare, if the entire itinerary is booked through Lufthansa (or another company, as long as not United.com)
Basically these 6 flights i'm expecting to come back with 6 PQFs, and 2400ish PQPs (750 max on the two international legs, and the other 4 will be 200ish each)
Am i on the right track?
P.S. - I'm not concerned about earning miles. I don't care if i earn 1 mile this entire trip, I'm super concerned about earning the appropriate PQP and PQFs
Last edited by mysticalice; Aug 21, 2020 at 3:27 pm
#819
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 22,457
There's also a fare class multiplier you have to take into consideration... and for economy tickets, it's often a big penalty.
Not true. Basic Economy would give you the same number of PQPs as regular economy, based upon the fare class you're ticketed in. However, you wouldn't get any PQFs.
My understanding (at this point) is if i book "Economy Basic" with Lufthansa (as opposed to Economy Light), that i will get the mileage divided by 5, for each flight on a preferred United partner (Lufthansa), and some amount based on United's portion of the fare, if the entire itinerary is booked through Lufthansa (or another company, as long as not United.com)
Basically these 6 flights i'm expecting to come back with 6 PQFs, and 2400ish PQPs (750 max on the two international legs, and the other 4 will be 200ish each)
Am i on the right track?
Basically these 6 flights i'm expecting to come back with 6 PQFs, and 2400ish PQPs (750 max on the two international legs, and the other 4 will be 200ish each)
Am i on the right track?
While is definitely possible to get a fare-to-PQP ratio of more than 100% by flying partner airlines, it's not always the case. Premium Economy and discount business class fares often have this trait; economy generally doesn't.
Hope this helps.
Actually, you are -- because the PQP is calculated from the number of award miles granted . If a fare doesn't qualify for award miles, it also doesn't qualify for any PQP -- and if it only qualifies for 25% award miles, it only qualifies for 25% PQP.
Last edited by jsloan; Aug 22, 2020 at 11:20 am Reason: Corrected note about G fare classes -- it's been too long...
#820
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 51
Wow that's extremely confusing. So here i thought it was as simple as "I'm flying 1000 miles on Lufthansa, so i would get 200 PQPs (1000 / 5)"
So if i understand (after checking the chart on the top of the page), If i fly Lufthansa and "full economy", of 30%, then it would be 30% of 1000 miles (assuming the flight leg is 1000 miles), or 300. THEN I take the preferred partner 1/5 multiplier, so the PQP i get would be 60.
That can't be right - that's 60 miles for every 1000 miles traveled? Geez... it's going to be impossible to get to 1K at that rate. Hah.
Anything I'm missing here?
Actually i'm still confused; because going through the pqp.economiles dot com calculator, it shows the full flight segment miles, with no 30% multiplier, etc.
What am i missing here?
So if i understand (after checking the chart on the top of the page), If i fly Lufthansa and "full economy", of 30%, then it would be 30% of 1000 miles (assuming the flight leg is 1000 miles), or 300. THEN I take the preferred partner 1/5 multiplier, so the PQP i get would be 60.
That can't be right - that's 60 miles for every 1000 miles traveled? Geez... it's going to be impossible to get to 1K at that rate. Hah.
Anything I'm missing here?
Actually i'm still confused; because going through the pqp.economiles dot com calculator, it shows the full flight segment miles, with no 30% multiplier, etc.
What am i missing here?
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Aug 21, 2020 at 4:34 pm Reason: merged consecutive posts by same member
#821
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 22,457
Wow that's extremely confusing. So here i thought it was as simple as "I'm flying 1000 miles on Lufthansa, so i would get 200 PQPs (1000 / 5)"
So if i understand (after checking the chart on the top of the page), If i fly Lufthansa and "full economy", of 30%, then it would be 30% of 1000 miles (assuming the flight leg is 1000 miles), or 300. THEN I take the preferred partner 1/5 multiplier, so the PQP i get would be 60.
That can't be right - that's 60 miles for every 1000 miles traveled? Geez... it's going to be impossible to get to 1K at that rate. Hah.
Anything I'm missing here?
So if i understand (after checking the chart on the top of the page), If i fly Lufthansa and "full economy", of 30%, then it would be 30% of 1000 miles (assuming the flight leg is 1000 miles), or 300. THEN I take the preferred partner 1/5 multiplier, so the PQP i get would be 60.
That can't be right - that's 60 miles for every 1000 miles traveled? Geez... it's going to be impossible to get to 1K at that rate. Hah.
Anything I'm missing here?
The "second-level economy" fares for Lufthansa, that say 20%, work the way that you thought every fare does -- mileage traveled divided by 5. (20% = 1/5). But those are still going to be quite expensive.
The very cheapest tickets on Lufthansa that actually earn PQP are the K class tickets at 5%: That's a 1000 mile flight, times 25% to yield 250 award miles, divided by 5 to get 50 PQP (50 = 5% of 1,000).
You're probably best off by using the calculator from the wiki and comparing the number of PQP you'd get from buying the ticket on Lufthansa to the number you'd get for buying it from United.
Miles: 5,310
Earn: 25%
RDM (redeemable miles in the MileagePlus program): 1328
PQP: 266
PQF: 1
Note that 266 is 5% of 5310. This matches the chart above.
If I put in Y class, and keep everything else the same:
Miles: 5,310
Earn: 150%
RDM: 7,965
PQP: 750
PQF: 1
750 is the cap for economy travel.
It is impossible to calculate the earnings in the new system without knowing the fare class that your flight will book into.
#822
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 51
Perfect; thanks - I've been using the calculator from the wiki.
The problem is the ticket I bought (that since refunded) says it's class "L" (on the Lufthansa email), but when i put that fare destination in for just one leg (EWR to FRA), it shows i would get 1 PQF (this i knew), and 750 PQPs, but that doesn't seem to add up when looking at the rest of the info you provided as well as the chart :/
Not to mention that United shows the Lufthansa "L" ticket (Economy Basic) as basic economy, which gives NO PQPs, according to them
The problem is the ticket I bought (that since refunded) says it's class "L" (on the Lufthansa email), but when i put that fare destination in for just one leg (EWR to FRA), it shows i would get 1 PQF (this i knew), and 750 PQPs, but that doesn't seem to add up when looking at the rest of the info you provided as well as the chart :/
Not to mention that United shows the Lufthansa "L" ticket (Economy Basic) as basic economy, which gives NO PQPs, according to them
#823
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 22,457
Perfect; thanks - I've been using the calculator from the wiki.
The problem is the ticket I bought (that since refunded) says it's class "L" (on the Lufthansa email), but when i put that fare destination in for just one leg (EWR to FRA), it shows i would get 1 PQF (this i knew), and 750 PQPs, but that doesn't seem to add up when looking at the rest of the info you provided as well as the chart :/
Not to mention that United shows the Lufthansa "L" ticket (Economy Basic) as basic economy, which gives NO PQPs, according to them
The problem is the ticket I bought (that since refunded) says it's class "L" (on the Lufthansa email), but when i put that fare destination in for just one leg (EWR to FRA), it shows i would get 1 PQF (this i knew), and 750 PQPs, but that doesn't seem to add up when looking at the rest of the info you provided as well as the chart :/
Not to mention that United shows the Lufthansa "L" ticket (Economy Basic) as basic economy, which gives NO PQPs, according to them
UA is wrong about Basic Economy not giving PQPs. Unfortunately, people on this board often know the systems better than United's reps. . A Basic Economy flight would not give PQFs, but it would give PQPs.
#824
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 51
Thank you; I had, in fact, typed in the wrong fare class. Lol.
Sigh.
I need 5200 PQP and 14 PQF to get 1K for the year. Had hoped this trip would get half of my PQPs, but looks like now i'll be lucky to get 1/4 of them
One more thing that confuses me:
Is there anywhere on the United Lufthansa page that shows that partner airline 'basic' equivalent tickets (which i'm guessing is what the Lufthansa 'L' class was) translates to 'basic economy' on United, and therefore doesn't qualify for PQF?
Sigh.
I need 5200 PQP and 14 PQF to get 1K for the year. Had hoped this trip would get half of my PQPs, but looks like now i'll be lucky to get 1/4 of them
One more thing that confuses me:
Is there anywhere on the United Lufthansa page that shows that partner airline 'basic' equivalent tickets (which i'm guessing is what the Lufthansa 'L' class was) translates to 'basic economy' on United, and therefore doesn't qualify for PQF?
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Aug 21, 2020 at 4:59 pm Reason: merging consecutive posts by same member
#825
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 22,457
One more thing that confuses me:
Is there anywhere on the United Lufthansa page that shows that partner airline 'basic' equivalent tickets (which i'm guessing is what the Lufthansa 'L' class was) translates to 'basic economy' on United, and therefore doesn't qualify for PQF?
Is there anywhere on the United Lufthansa page that shows that partner airline 'basic' equivalent tickets (which i'm guessing is what the Lufthansa 'L' class was) translates to 'basic economy' on United, and therefore doesn't qualify for PQF?
Hope this helps...